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December 29th would be a stupid release date. Sony would never release their system seller áfter Christmas.

I guess if GT5 will be released this year, it’s more like this fiscal year, meaning it could also be march 2010. Was the same with GT4 if I’m not mistaken.

I’m pretty sure it will, GT5 + PS3 Slim launch + Xmas = $ for Sony :p

Kids’ll just say “MOOOOM! Do _NOT_ buy anything for me ’till the 29th!!!!!”

Still a win for Sony :P

gt5, vaporware :P

GT5 is not vapour wear and GTP didnt confirm DEC 29th is wrong. They said its more than likely not the 29th. PD showed us a video for GT5 which means its very real.

steve30x:

GT5 is not vapour wear you numb nuts and GTP didnt confirm DEC 29th is wrong. They said its more than likely not the 29th.

“…and the much-publicized Amazon.com date of December 29, 2009 is incorrect.”

Montoya:

“…and the much-publicized Amazon.com date of December 29, 2009 is incorrect.”

I hope you are right. I am bored to death of the 5 tracks on GT5 P and the lack of upgrades and proper championships in prologue bore me to death also.

but they’re taking a damn long time to release it, we’ll be playing both NFS:shift and Forza 3 earlier then GT5.

steve30x:
GT5 is not vapour wear and GTP didnt confirm DEC 29th is wrong. They said its more than likely not the 29th. PD showed us a video for GT5 which means its very real.

Its taking so long because the Kaz is a perfectionist and wont release GT until he deems it ready. Also it takes that long for them to do a car that is another reason for it taking so long.GT5 isnt juat any racing game. It has a shed load of cars and more why its taking so long. Patience is a virtue.

I pre ordered my copy a while ago now with uk store shopto,and I keep checking the store for the release date,and up until very recently it still had the september date down, after reading this I just checked it and they now have it as December the fourth ???

They have changed that date twice already

I preordered a PS7. That might arrive before GT5.

So you’re commenting on rumors found on GTPlanet now, Montoya? That’s just sad. Not only that but this is an old rumor that fires up once in awhile just to keep the forums on that site alive. Here’s how it usually dies: Nothing is solid on GT 5′s release date until Sony makes it official. Anything else is either Kaz blowing smoke up someone’s rear end or newbies to the forum who just want to stir stuff up.

BTW did you hear that Simbin is going to bring the lizard engine to the PC after Race On is released? Me neither but maybe that will bring Virtualr out of a slow news day.

Like I said before, GTPlanet is not known for spreading false rumors or can you give me any example of when they did?

They often have inside info on GT through their various forum members so I have no reason to believe they´re making this up. And the first rumors about a Christmas 2009 release have been started by Sony staff anyways.

Combined with the popping up December release dates in various shops including Amazon, I thought this very well justified a story.

The pointer’s have been there for quite some time regarding a December release date. GTP will also be the first place any such reliable new’s will be found. The GT series has gone a long way to slowly introducing million’s of console gamer’s to full sim’s one step at a time, before finally delivering the full sim experience with GT5(P).

JAGUAR1977:
The GT series has gone a long way to slowly introducing million’s of console gamer’s to full sim’s one step at a time, before finally delivering the full sim experience with GT5(P).

Come on. Full sims have damage models, visual and dynamic. Full sims don’t have robotic AI. Full sims are about racing, not car collecting. Full sims put physics before eye candy.

GT the full sim racing experience? It never has been, and it never will be, at least not compared to PC sims.

Jaguar1977 usually post flattering stuff about console racers. GT5P is a nice racing game with simlike features.

stabiz:
Jaguar1977 usually post flattering stuff about console racers. GT5P is a nice racing game with simlike features.

I will agree with that somewhat, Stabiz. I think the entire GT series has been a series of VERY pretty car-collecting games with some sim-like racing features.

Paul Kelly: Come on. Full sims have damage models, visual and dynamic. Full sims don’t have robotic AI. Full sims are about racing, not car collecting. Full sims put physics before eye candy.

GT the full sim racing experience? It never has been, and it never will be, at least not compared to PC sims.

GT5 will have damage modelling, thats been confirmed already. And full sims dont have robotic AI? I dunno what sims you’ve been playing but the last pc sim that had good AI was GP4 and the only current sim that has acceptable AI is VGP3. Hell, most of the “full sims” have abandoned AI altogether, look at iRacing or NKPro. And given that the majority of people that play GT use a pad + the sheer number of cars that the game simulates, the physics are fine. The fact is there needed to be a compromise with the physics so that the game could be successful with the mainstream public. I can only imagine how quickly some of my friends would throw away the controller in frustration if the GT5 cars handled like NKPro or rF

My bet, and I’ve not checked this, is Amazon have listed December 29th as that’s the last weekday of the year where a game could be released.

Lot of places list the end of the year for titles whose release dates they don’t know but expect to be out that year.

Forza: Yep, AI is an afterthought in MOST games these days, not just sims. I find Evo’s to be pretty good. rFactor is some of the worst I’ve ever seen. Right up there (down there?) with GT4′s which was horrendous.

It’s sad as all the drive for online play has done is create this abject laziness in game development where AI is an afterthought. Notice how there’s very little mention in all the RF2 stuff being posted on Twitter there is next to no mention of the AI. Gee, wonder why. There’s probably a couple of interns working on it.

Which is one more than GT probably has if GT4 was any indication.

Paul: Gran Turismo has always essentially been Pokemon for petrol heads.

Montoya:

And the first rumors about a Christmas 2009 release have been started by Sony staff anyways.

Sony did’nt start a Christmas release. They didnt start any rumours about the release date with their latest comment on the DEC 29th release date.

Montoya:
Like I said before, GTPlanet is not known for spreading false rumors or can you give me any example of when they did?
They often have inside info on GT through their various forum members so I have no reason to believe they´re making this up. And the first rumors about a Christmas 2009 release have been started by Sony staff anyways.
Combined with the popping up December release dates in various shops including Amazon, I thought this very well justified a story.

Virtualr is not known for spreading false rumors either… I also just gave you an example. This rumor is months old and no matter what the best fan sites says, just remember that they are exactly that: fan sites. EVEN IF Sony marketing started the rumor, it was most likely to steer attention away from NFS:shift and Forza 3. Kaz is as notorious a salesman as Dan Greenawalt and he’s done similar things before.

Again until a release date becomes official, all Virtualr is doing is just posting fan rumors on the front page.

I wish full Sims had good AI. rFactor’s is terrible. Grid an arcade has much much better AI. So AI is no measure of being a Sim. Nieter is sound. Most arcade racers have better and more up to date sound systems then “full sim’s”. (no reverb off tunnels

TDU was a great car collecting game. You can probably pick it up for less the 20.USD now. It even has bikes. I’ll choose rFactor2 first, Shift second which leaves no time for any thing else. Sorry Sony and Microsoft. To little and to late.

Sodapop:

EVEN IF Sony marketing started the rumor, it was most likely to steer attention away from NFS:shift and Forza 3. Kaz is as notorious a salesman as Dan Greenawalt and he’s done similar things before.

The first mention of a Christmas 2009 release by Sony staff was made back in 2008 when neither Forza 3 nor Need for Speed Shift were even announced.

It tells you a lot when those who criticise Gran Turismo make little distinction between GT1 on the PSONE 10+ years ago and GT5(P) on the PS3. The only thing they have in common is the name. As a driving experience GT5(P) is every bit as good as 90% of the sims and mods served up on the PC, yet this is only a taster.

I can’t speak for anyone else but with GT5 and NFS Shift I’m quite sure I’ll be missing out on little from the PC sim side, apart from the usual technical troubles and small community which dictates you tend to have to race the usual flavour of the month online, rather than the mods you are genuinly interested in.

Hey, thats great. It does sound like you are trying to convince yourself, though.

GT5 and Shift will probably be decent games with lots of eye candy, but I am not holding my breath. The most recent titles that really impressed me was GTR2 and iRacing.

I do somewhat agree with Howie on sound, most sims (GTR Evo comes to mind) and mods have really dull and flat sound, but I think its just the same in GT5P. Driving the Saleen in Evo should give me ear-gasm, and it doesnt. On the other hand there is Historx and the recent Cart Factor. Oh, and the M3 GTR in VLN 2005.

ForzaBarca88:

GT5 will have damage modelling, thats been confirmed already. And full sims dont have robotic AI? I dunno what sims you’ve been playing but the last pc sim that had good AI was GP4 and the only current sim that has acceptable AI is VGP3. Hell, most of the “full sims” have abandoned AI altogether, look at iRacing or NKPro. And given that the majority of people that play GT use a pad + the sheer number of cars that the game simulates, the physics are fine. The fact is there needed to be a compromise with the physics so that the game could be successful with the mainstream public. I can only imagine how quickly some of my friends would throw away the controller in frustration if the GT5 cars handled like NKPro or rF

Default mods in rFactor have horrible AI. But a few mods, such as Historix, have far superior AI to any GT game. GTR2 has very solid offline AI. Kaz’s idea of AI is cars following each other in a line, like a snake charmer. It’s a joke.

Don’t even bring iRacing into the equation. That’s an online-only game. There is no AI by design.

Compromise in GT? I thought it was supposed to be “The Ultimate Driving Simulator?”

UncleChuckle:
Paul: Gran Turismo has always essentially been Pokemon for petrol heads.

That’s a classic line, Chuckle, and so true. I’ll have to remember that one!

Paul Kelly:

Default mods in rFactor have horrible AI. But a few mods, such as Historix, have far superior AI to any GT game. GTR2 has very solid offline AI. Kaz’s idea of AI is cars following each other in a line, like a snake charmer. It’s a joke.
Don’t even bring iRacing into the equation. That’s an online-only game. There is no AI by design.
Compromise in GT? I thought it was supposed to be “The Ultimate Driving Simulator?”

Gimme a break, no mod in rfactor has anything other than barely usable AI and thats being kind. GTR2/Evo is better but even firing up the now ancient GPL you will find better AI than what you get with Simbin’s games. I wasnt defending GT’s AI because its quite shocking, just pointing out that things arent much better in PC-sim land. As for being the ultimate driving simulator…….good luck with that when 95% of people play with a pad. If you start believing every tagline that comes along, next thing you know you’ll be expecting wings after slamming down a can of Red Bull

stabiz:
Hey, thats great. It does sound like you are trying to convince yourself, though.
GT5 and Shift will probably be decent games with lots of eye candy…..

The plentiful responses after every ‘console’ sim feature tells it’s own story, these titles are being taken seriously with ever more comical reasons being raised to dismiss them.
I seriously believe many sim racers have can’t see the wood from the trees. Since when has plentiful photo realistic cars been a negative, surely sim racers are car fans, we all want to drive our particular favourites? I certainly don’t want to be limited to driving Meganes or the latest F1 mod.

JAGUAR1977:

The plentiful responses after every ‘console’ sim feature tells it’s own story, these titles are being taken seriously with ever more comical reasons being raised to dismiss them.
I seriously believe many sim racers have can’t see the wood from the trees. Since when has plentiful photo realistic cars been a negative, surely sim racers are car fans, we all want to drive our particular favourites? I certainly don’t want to be limited to driving Meganes or the latest F1 mod.

See there’s more to sim racing than plentiful photo realistic cars. The GT series’ graphics have consistently been the best in the industry but the physics engine has never been that good even when compared against other console sims. GT 5 might change that, true, but nobody has seen that title yet. Sure graphics are important but some of us prefer a good physics engine.

And who is forcing you to drive only Meganes or F1 mods? There are tons of different mods out there. Drive whatever you like.

ForzaBarca88:

Gimme a break, no mod in rfactor has anything other than barely usable AI and thats being kind. GTR2/Evo is better but even firing up the now ancient GPL you will find better AI than what you get with Simbin’s games. I wasnt defending GT’s AI because its quite shocking, just pointing out that things arent much better in PC-sim land. As for being the ultimate driving simulator…….good luck with that when 95% of people play with a pad. If you start believing every tagline that comes along, next thing you know you’ll be expecting wings after slamming down a can of Red Bull

You’re right: The physics are fine for a game designed around a joypad. Which is tacit acknowledgment that it’s not a sim, since I don’t see many race cars or passenger cars driven with a joystick and buttons these days.