Peter: Yes I am well aware its a league version but that in no way detracts from its playability offline. If its meant for leagues then even more reason to include TC because league servers will disable it on their end. Everyone wins.
Also do you seriously think that only people in leagues will be downloading this mod ? Come on.

Im not saying its hard to drive and Im not bothered abotu the Pro edition. I welcome that too as I`ll hack the files just the same. This is not about leagues, realism or the fact that only the higher skilled ones should play this mod.
Its about choice and allowing everyone to enjoy it.
If we dont have that then what the hell does this community stand for ?

And if you think this is hard enough to drive without TC check out this quote.

“Later this year, the team will release a ultra realistic Pro Edition of the mod, aimed at serious racers and GP2 drivers.”

As for your last post, well not only has it been covered but the fact that the real series does not have TC is totally irrelevant. If TC was not user changeable in-game then you would indeed have a point. But as it is, and it can be disabled, that argument becomes null and void.
But yes, its their prerogative. I just think they got it majorly wrong.

Lastly, TC disable servers do not work in shunning novices. All you get are people joining that are not totally used to or cant drive without TC joining because there’s nowhere else to do, then come quali or race you get spinners everywhere which just upsets the others.

[i]You say using TC means you’re not going as fast as you can and others say using it gives you an advantage over the non-TC others. So which is it ?[/i]

No, I meant that you wouldn’t be going as fast as the others because you’re USED to TC, and then when you race without it, you’ll suck. TC might indeed give you an advantage over other online players–except that none of their servers allow it, except a few novice ones. You practicing with TC basically gets you nowhere, was my point.

However, as you’ve pointed out, you seem to enjoy just driving around by yourself. To each his own. In that case I can’t argue with you wanting traction control I suppose… Just an… interesting… way to use a racing sim… :???:

roadkill ken:

I’m not saying no one isn’t welcome to race in the community–I’m saying that every online server I’ve seen races without TC… That’s not done to “shun” the novices using TC, it’s to level the playing field and have those who race want to improve their skills without driver aids. It’s sort of an unwritten code. You are indeed welcome to race–without TC.

I race short track stockcar, driven everywhere from 4-cylinder pure stock up to OSCAAR Late Models, as well as tested a Formula Ford, so yes, if you must ask, I can drive them competitively.

Not that that has ANYTHING to do with this conversation. Asking such a thing smacks of snobbery, in fact.

tigeraid, you have to understand that everyone has a slightly different approach to the way they play their sims.
Sure there are the hardcore nuts who love to constantly challenege themselves and master the game as much as possible.
But others may have a more relaxed attitude. They are still sim-racers. You can’t go having a class system in this community or it`ll be chaos.
See there are people who play F1 2007 mods without TC. Because they can. BUT… its not realistic is it? Because in 2007 they used TC. Im sure they werent forced too but they did. Im guessing they didnt do that because it was slower.
You say using TC means you’re not going as fast as you can and others say using it gives you an advantage over the non-TC others. So which is it ?
I have many ways I can improve my skill by learning car setups etc. I can always study my telemtry. How many of us do that ? You would if you wanted realism.
But I dont HAVE to study telemetry. Thats my choice. I should get to decide how far I want to go with my driving and how serious I want to take it.

When you get down to it this isn’t a big deal, just enabling 1 poxy driver aid. If its enabled in-game and you decide to run without it because you want the realism, what do you or should you care about what anyone else is doing ?
At least they should be given the choice.

The choice wouldn’t be made “in game”, it would be made during testing sessions or playing against the AI. Against anyone online, all it would do is handicap your chances of being competitive.

Maybe I don’t understand sim racers the way I thought, but I figured they played for the same reason they might race in real life–to improve your skill, be more competitive, and beat the other drivers. This is why it’s a RACING simulator, not a DRIVING simulator. I can’t think of anything more boring than driving around on TC knowing I’m not going as fast as I could be if I practiced and improved. If I’m wrong then I’m wrong.

I suppose the realism of sims can swing both ways, Id love to be able to turn OFF the TC in the iracing formula mazda. But as its “for the pros & is not a game” there is no aids to turn on or off! The real car has the option to turn off the TC, the game…. sorry the simulator does not?

It’s like complaining that you can’t play Duck Hunt on the NES without the gun, or Dance Dance Revolution without the dancing pad.

I can understand not being able to afford a G25, but you can find Driving Force Pros for $50 used, here and there, or even an older Momo for less.

I’m not sure how else to put this but–for those who find the mods too frustrating to drive without TC, either don’t drive them (the mod is not intended for you) and go drive something easier, or just go play Forza or Gran Turismo instead. This isn’t a “smug, sim-racer” response, it’s just a common sense response. The sims are intended to be played with a wheel, that’s all there is to it.

FWIW a lot of Formula 1 mods allow traction control, and considering up until this season Formula 1 USED traction control, why not drive those instead?