GP2 2008 1.0 - Released
Posted on November 6th, 2008 in
rFactor
The SiMCO Modding Team has released version 1.0 of their GP2 2008 Series mod for rFactor.The new version is massivly improved compared to the 0.9 version including better graphics, new sounds and physics.
This is the league edition of the mod, it contain’s the following teams of the 2008 GP2 series season:
ART Grand Prix
BCN Competicion
Campos Grand Prix
Dams
iSport International
Piquet Sports
Racing Engineering
Super Nova International
Trident Racing
Trust Team Arden
DPR
Durango
Fisichella International
Later this year, the team will release a ultra realistic Pro Edition of the mod, aimed at serious racers and GP2 drivers.
Very cool mod! Vitaliy Petrov THE BEST pilot in the wet tracks! Very good sounds, fantastic!
It looks very great!!
But I want to play it with keyboard - and it´s impossible with that physics!
Has anybody a solution for this problem?
Thanks!
Well you’ll hate me for saying this but…. Buy a wheel, or at the very least an xbox 360 pad!
The mod is great, very nice to look at & hear, oh & the physics are very good!
Link is dead.
button04: The shame of it is that apart from people trying to dicate to you what you should buy to play the game, the authors of the mod fail to comprehend how to make their mod reach the maximum audience.
What they’ve done (again) is to fail to allow people to run with traction control. They`ll just scream at you that it isnt real without realising that you should have the choice how real you want to make it by using rfactors in-buit driver aids.
The people that want realism can turn off TC whenever they want and it can be disabled on servers and in leagues.
But those people who have difficulty running without TC are screwed. Unfortunately peoples answer to that is to practice. Brilliant eh? Alternatively you’ll get told that ‘this mod maybe isnt for you’ which is essentially saying if you can’t handle it then too damn bad.
So if you are one of many that need traction control for whatever reason be it skill level, keyboard usage or just that you get frustrated that you are not an uber-alien and do in fact get frustrated with spins due to an over sensitive throttle then it seems you are indeed screwed with this mod.
You can always edit the hdv files to re-enable traction control, but its a shame that the authors don’t have the foresight or understanding for people who require it.
Claiming that it isnt realistic and that the mod makers only wanted it to be 100% real is kind of a cop-out excuse.
Bigger mods than this respect the in-game TC settings and if you want 100% realim, its still there. All you need to do is press a function key to disable it.
So as it stands this mod only caters for people of a certain skill level and isnt interested in the rest.
A crying shame really as otherwise it looks like it would be a damn fine piece of work.
Thats strange, when I started playin this mod I was losing the rear all over the place so I put TC on medium from off. I was much more consistent! It never occurred to me there was still no TC! That must be what they call a placebo affect.
But really there cant be many cars in pc sims you can really use the keyboard for, TC or no TC. I got a analogue PS2 type pad for £5 when I got into this after failing with keyboard. So you might not be very fast on a mod like this but at least you will be able to get out of the pits!
F1 Racer is right tho, they should give the option to use aids, leagues can force there members not to use them cant they?
Realism is what we strive for, no? This is after all supposed to be a simulation of reality. That said, I wouldnt care if tc was allowed either. The mod makers make the mod they want to make, and if forcing people to drive without tc as they do in real life is one of their goals, well thats their decision.
Didnt we do this tc/no tc-thing a while ago? :razz:
But any new links popping up?
Nevermind, Monty has fixed the link.
stabiz, sorry but thats such a old an cliched reply. That’s the only response we ever get on this debate. No-one is taking reality away from anyone so that argument is out of the window. You do realise that TC can be disabled if you wish right ? Whats the point of forcing it off in that case ? There is no logical or practical reason for it.
If TC was forced ON then I would agree with you. I would argue that its not fair to those that want to run without TC. It works both ways see, and it amazes me that some cannot understand that.
Yes the mod makers can make it how they want. It just stuns me that they would put all this time an effort in only for it to be appealing to a limited audience.
F1Racer these cars don’t have TC in real life so why would they allow it in the mod.
If you don’t have the skill to drive without tc or your driving without a wheel then what the hell do you expect with a simulation game.
I am sick and tired of people complaining they can’t drive certain mods with keyboards because these mods aren’t designed to be played with keyboards.
The physics are designed to be used with no tc. When you add tc it changes how these cars drive.
Also because you don’t own a wheel or you don’t have the skill to drive with no tc the mod has to be changed just to cater to your needs.
This mod is about realism and if you don’t like that go play Need For Speed or some other crappy arcade game like that.
blah blah blah blah blah. same old same old. Christ either understand the point here or change the record.
Firstly Im not driving with a keyboard, I don’t know where you got that impression.
Your reply is exactly what I said it would be in my first post. So predictable. Weak watered down excuses which also reek of selfishness. Because its ok for you, screw the rest right ?
This isnt about me, its about anyone out there who might want to enjoy this mod but maybe don’t have the skills to run without TC. Now what makes you think that it should only be catered to YOUR needs ?? Wheres your understanding or ability to compromise ?
I’m not saying the mod HAS to be changed. I do think it would be infinitely better if it was so that it could appeal to as many people as possible. And if you like the realism and no TC then what the hell difference is it to you ? It doesnt affect you in the slightest so what is your problem ?
Also if I didnt like realism then I wouldnt even own rFactor, be on this website or have been in this community for the last 12 years ! So where do you get off telling me what I should go and play.
Come up with a proper reasoned adult and mature argument why GP2 should be the only mod not to respect in-game driver aids (that were put there for a reason) and then get back to me.
“Because its a sim” or “because the real cars dont have it” are not reasons.
The mod makers are free to do whatevre they want with their mod, but all Im campaigning for here is a little consideration for others who want to enjoy it. Why would you or anyone begrudge them that ? Its senseless.
And you know what ? If they dont have the foresight to fix the TC so that it works with the in-game driver aid, then I will and I`ll release a patch for those that want it.
Ok.
oh and by the way, if this mod was crap, I wouldn’t give a toss about it, but it happens to be a damn good one with what I see to be 1 serious error of judgement in it.
I see where F1Racer is coming from. Allowing TC isn’t going to hurt anyone. Everyone that want’s realism will have TC off anyways. I run with TC off even on mods that run TC in real life. I even hack up my road cars to disable TC/ Hahaha. What I don’t get is why people like F1Race don’t buy a wheel. Is it money F1Racer or do you just prefer the pad? If it is money we should start a F1Racer wheel fund. You are very active in helping people out in this community (here and RSC), I am sure people could scrape together some funds. I have purchased two wheels for some of my local RL racing friends just to get them involved.
Also the “go play NFS” statements are silly. rFactor with every aid turned on is still more realistic and entertaining then NFS.
ermax18:- you too ? In my first post, you will see that I was replying to button04 who was using a keyboard.
I, me, F1Racer, use a Logitech G25 (I have 2 of them and 2 black Momo’s), Buttkicker gamer and TrackIR4. Im also fine for money but thanks for the thought. :)
As I said I wasn’t only speaking for myself but for countless others who would like a TC option if they prefer it. At least the ability to have the choice. We’re supposed to be living in a democracy here :)
Did I mention I use a Logitech G25 wheel for my sims ?
Wait F1Racer do you use a pad or a wheel?
If you don’t use a wheel then how can you say your all about realism when you don’t even use a wheel.
If you can’t drive without tc then why not learn to. Driving without tc with a wheel at first is tricky but just takes practice and learning the limit of the car.
Also many servers allow tc so when the people without the skill to not use tc have that advantage compared to people who want to drive these gp2 cars the way they are suppose to be driven.
Sorry F1Racer but the part about using keyboard was towards person who said they can’t drive these with a keyboard.
If you do use a G25 then why not practice and learn to drive these cars with no tc. Just because other mods allow tc doesn’t mean this needs to aswell. It’s all up to the mod group and they decided to create it with no tc.
Peter why did you tell me that its up to the mod group ? I’ve said twice already that the mod groups can do what they want. But that doesnt make it right and doesnt mean I have to agree with it. Would mod groups prefer people to sit back and not dsicuss these things or maybe there is something to be learned here.
Now Im going to pick your posts point by point….
“If you don’t use a wheel then how can you say your all about realism when you don’t even use a wheel.”
I do use a wheel (see above - twice). I didnt say I was all about realism.
Lets talk about realism shall we ? Can we just remember when we are talking about realism that most of us are sat in our bedrooms with a plastic wheel attached to a desk looking at a computer monitor. Lets get into perspective when it comes to realism.
“If you can’t drive without tc then why not learn to. Driving without tc with a wheel at first is tricky but just takes practice and learning the limit of the car.”
Hmmm ok I know how to drive a car. In real life I spend a lot of time on my cars limit. There, Im fine.
In sims, its all about patience which I don’t have. I can drive many many mods with no TC. But F1’s kinda make it tricky for me. Im not the best sim racer in the world and I dont mind admitting it. Im not one who has to come across like some brilliant sim racing guy who craves realism at every cost.
My approach to sims is like this… Im 42 years old now and Ive kinda settled in to my driving style. If say an F1 mod is tricky with no TC then Im going to spin enough times to frustrate me and I have a very short temper and an explosive one.
So… I prefer the calmer approach and add a little TC which will allow me to do lap after lap and enjoy the GAME. Now whats wrong with that ? Is that so bad ?
I shouldnt have to re-learn what I know now and spend hours practicing to drive a mod just because the mod authors took it upon themselves to disable TC forcibly and thus screwing things up for a lot of people.
Why can’t I enjoy the mod as much as the non TC people ?
Not only that but the throttle sensitivity in this mod is brutal.
“Also many servers allow tc so when the people without the skill to not use tc have that advantage compared to people who want to drive these gp2 cars the way they are suppose to be driven.”
There are always more servers with TC disabled. Always.
And I would argue that there is an advantage. Seeing as how the alien drivers are using the no TC and it tends to be the lesser skilled that use TC.
I’m amazed that people are not even prepared to be reasonable about this. Its that ‘Im alright Jack so fk you’ attitude.
This is like walking into a restaurant that wont server vegitarian food so it limits its customers when it could easy add a veggie menu and satisfy everyone. - and NO Im not a vegitarian either.
I really don’t see the point in arguring with you anymore becuase it’s pointless. They decided not to include traction control. If you feel this was the wrong decision then email them asking if they can include it in their next patch.
If they still decide on not including next patch then either learn to drive without it or move onto another mod.
It is pointless yes, because there is no sensible defence for it.
It’s not up to you to tell me to move on to another mod.
I emailed them about this after 0.9 was released. They didn’t even bother with a reply. Plus I dont think they will change their minds. This is clearly something they have deliberately done for their own reasons. I just hope that reason isnt just ‘reality’ because thats just senseless when it can be disabled by the user in-game anyway.
However you missed out another option. I can enable it in the files myself them make them publicly available.
Well, I think the mod will be downloaded more times than the tc “fix”, but go ahead. Nobody is stopping you. :smile:
I don´t know how to modify the hdv file. Can anybody try to modify it to make a keyboard playing possible?
Come on, what do people think that they can demand things from mod makers who offer this for free? Nobody is forced to use this mod.
Oh and btw, are you also blaming leagues who disable TC on their server? It’s their decission, but I guess you think they should enable it and leave it up to the driver to maybe turn it off. Not much different than with the mod. Your choice to drive a mod, your choice to join a league. In both: you don’t like it, you don’t use it.
I like it very much! And I want to play it! But it´s impossible to play it with keyboard. So can anybody help me or can say what I have to change in the files?
stabiz: of course the mod will be downloaded more times than the fix. Thats obvious. Its hardly going to be downloaded more. Also as long as people who need the tc fix, have it, thats all that counts.
Gonzo: no-one is making any demands here. Just stating an opinion, and yes we know that no-one is forced to use the mod, thats not nothing to do with it.
No not blaming leages who disable TC on their servers. Thats totally up to them. Its a free world. League servers are quite a different prospect that playing offline the way you want to play it.
button04: no worries mate I will bring out a TC patch for you. Give me a little while.
F1Racer: no worries mate I will bring out a TC patch for you. Give me a little while.
Please do, i dont play open wheel mods, but wouldnt mind trying this, and thank you for defending TC users.
button04:
Traction control enabled HDV file:- http://racingrenders.com/GP208_LE-TC enabler.zip
Download and extract, back up the original and drop into ‘rfactor/Gamedata/Vehicles/GP208/’ folder.
Have fun m8.
F1RACER:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
I will try your patch at afternoon!!
The very fact they are releasing an “ultra realistic pro edition” would suggest this version is aimed at yer average sim racer & is not the full on deal. So having the option to use aids like TC in this version, should in no way devalue the mod teams vision of the pro edition.
Cheers for the fix F1racer, it will be a very welcome option for use after a couple of bottles of Rioja!
Dont drink and race kids!
The TC fix link is not working
Have you removed it?
F1racer, u r my hero… though i don’t really care about TC or no TC in a mod. but whats more important is, caring for ppl difficulties. i am sure your patch would help many. n please don’t what others had said, i mean those argument. u r one sim racer dude who got heart of gold….
cheers. (sorry for my poor english)
unklpepper: the link should work but you have to highlight the entire link up the to the .zip part because the red highlighted part of the link is incomplete.
Try this http://racingrenders.com/GP208_LE-TC%20enabler.zip
I dunno how anyone can play a sim with a keyboard. I have trouble understanding how they can do it with a gamepad, even.
It’s like complaining that you can’t play Duck Hunt on the NES without the gun, or Dance Dance Revolution without the dancing pad.
I can understand not being able to afford a G25, but you can find Driving Force Pros for $50 used, here and there, or even an older Momo for less.
I’m not sure how else to put this but–for those who find the mods too frustrating to drive without TC, either don’t drive them (the mod is not intended for you) and go drive something easier, or just go play Forza or Gran Turismo instead. This isn’t a “smug, sim-racer” response, it’s just a common sense response. The sims are intended to be played with a wheel, that’s all there is to it.
FWIW a lot of Formula 1 mods allow traction control, and considering up until this season Formula 1 USED traction control, why not drive those instead?
Thanks F1racer, that should have occurred to me!
I suppose the realism of sims can swing both ways, Id love to be able to turn OFF the TC in the iracing formula mazda. But as its “for the pros & is not a game” there is no aids to turn on or off! The real car has the option to turn off the TC, the game…. sorry the simulator does not?
Remember that there are also people out there with wheels such as G25’s who may not have the skills to run without TC. Now without telling them either practice or ‘go play Forza or Gran Turismo’ isnt it just a whole lot easier all round if TC was allowed in the mod. Also people know what their alternatives are but why are people so eager and willing to brush them away from this mod ? Its almost like they dont want us playing it.
Thats quite a prejudice.
Whilst TC can be disabled in-game anyway, there is just no reasonable argument against not doing this.
Saying ‘this mod is not intended for you’… well.. if this is true then it shows a short-sightedness that is very disappointing. Why would any mod make restrict its audience by disabling a feature instead of allowing the user to make that choice in-game ? Its totally senseless and thats why other bigger and more realistic mods don’t do it.
Because there are other games or mods to drive that ARE intended for someone who needs TC. I understand what YOU’RE saying, that you just wanna go out there and run laps and get a rush–that’s great, but then when you show up to race online, you won’t be competitive anyway because they won’t be running TC.
The choice wouldn’t be made “in game”, it would be made during testing sessions or playing against the AI. Against anyone online, all it would do is handicap your chances of being competitive.
Maybe I don’t understand sim racers the way I thought, but I figured they played for the same reason they might race in real life–to improve your skill, be more competitive, and beat the other drivers. This is why it’s a RACING simulator, not a DRIVING simulator. I can’t think of anything more boring than driving around on TC knowing I’m not going as fast as I could be if I practiced and improved. If I’m wrong then I’m wrong.
But what if I don’t want to race this mod online ? I might want to keep it for offline play. Plus there could be servers who have it enabled and if there was I would join those.
tigeraid, you have to understand that everyone has a slightly different approach to the way they play their sims.
Sure there are the hardcore nuts who love to constantly challenege themselves and master the game as much as possible.
But others may have a more relaxed attitude. They are still sim-racers. You can’t go having a class system in this community or it`ll be chaos.
See there are people who play F1 2007 mods without TC. Because they can. BUT… its not realistic is it? Because in 2007 they used TC. Im sure they werent forced too but they did. Im guessing they didnt do that because it was slower.
You say using TC means you’re not going as fast as you can and others say using it gives you an advantage over the non-TC others. So which is it ?
I have many ways I can improve my skill by learning car setups etc. I can always study my telemtry. How many of us do that ? You would if you wanted realism.
But I dont HAVE to study telemetry. Thats my choice. I should get to decide how far I want to go with my driving and how serious I want to take it.
When you get down to it this isn’t a big deal, just enabling 1 poxy driver aid. If its enabled in-game and you decide to run without it because you want the realism, what do you or should you care about what anyone else is doing ?
At least they should be given the choice.
To all the people banging on about realism,blah, blah,blah, etc.How many of you would actually be able to drive a formula ford car competetively , let alone a GP2 or F1 car.Not everybody sits and plays for hours on end and driver aids improve the game for some people.Are you saying if you can’t drive unaiaded then your’e not welcome in the rFactor community.It smacks of elitism and snobbery.
F1Racer:
[i]You say using TC means you’re not going as fast as you can and others say using it gives you an advantage over the non-TC others. So which is it ?[/i]
No, I meant that you wouldn’t be going as fast as the others because you’re USED to TC, and then when you race without it, you’ll suck. TC might indeed give you an advantage over other online players–except that none of their servers allow it, except a few novice ones. You practicing with TC basically gets you nowhere, was my point.
However, as you’ve pointed out, you seem to enjoy just driving around by yourself. To each his own. In that case I can’t argue with you wanting traction control I suppose… Just an… interesting… way to use a racing sim… :???:
roadkill ken:
I’m not saying no one isn’t welcome to race in the community–I’m saying that every online server I’ve seen races without TC… That’s not done to “shun” the novices using TC, it’s to level the playing field and have those who race want to improve their skills without driver aids. It’s sort of an unwritten code. You are indeed welcome to race–without TC.
I race short track stockcar, driven everywhere from 4-cylinder pure stock up to OSCAAR Late Models, as well as tested a Formula Ford, so yes, if you must ask, I can drive them competitively.
Not that that has ANYTHING to do with this conversation. Asking such a thing smacks of snobbery, in fact.
Anyway, in regards to the MOD, the creator’s goal, as it is with many modders, is a realistic simulation of a real life racing series. GP2 has no traction control. The mod has no traction control. It’s their prerogative.
interesting way to use a sim ? Theres nothing wrong with offline mode. For one thing there’s no wreckers. Im still sat in the cockpit and have to drive the ass off the car. Its not all about online play.
As for your last post, well not only has it been covered but the fact that the real series does not have TC is totally irrelevant. If TC was not user changeable in-game then you would indeed have a point. But as it is, and it can be disabled, that argument becomes null and void.
But yes, its their prerogative. I just think they got it majorly wrong.
Lastly, TC disable servers do not work in shunning novices. All you get are people joining that are not totally used to or cant drive without TC joining because there’s nowhere else to do, then come quali or race you get spinners everywhere which just upsets the others.
that should read ‘nowhere else to go’
I really wish we could edit these posts.
F1Racer: You are “not blaming leages who disable TC on their servers. Thats totally up to them. Its a free world” you say. well it’s not so different when you want to play online it’s the same prospect. When you want to play this mod offline with TC is then up to the modders if they model it, online it’s up to the league. Not different.
You do know this Version of the mod is the League Edition which was designed for Online Racing.
And if you think this is hard enough to drive without TC check out this quote.
“Later this year, the team will release a ultra realistic Pro Edition of the mod, aimed at serious racers and GP2 drivers.”
To tigeraid, askintg the question isn’t a form of snobbery.Have you ever heard the phrase”those that can,do.Those that can’t teach”.you may be one of a rare breed that actually race cars and simrace,but in my experience the people who kep going on about realism in sims and belittle anyone who needs to use driver aids would not be qable to race in the real world
Gonzo: Yes we KNOW its up to the modders. Have you not been following along ? Its up to the modders, its up to the modders, they can do what they want, its their perogative, their decision, their mod, their way. OK ? Got that ?
I’m saying that doesn’t make it right. Its like saying its their decision to have the cars with pink tyres. Wouldnt make it right would it ?
Peter: Yes I am well aware its a league version but that in no way detracts from its playability offline. If its meant for leagues then even more reason to include TC because league servers will disable it on their end. Everyone wins.
Also do you seriously think that only people in leagues will be downloading this mod ? Come on.
Im not saying its hard to drive and Im not bothered abotu the Pro edition. I welcome that too as I`ll hack the files just the same. This is not about leagues, realism or the fact that only the higher skilled ones should play this mod.
Its about choice and allowing everyone to enjoy it.
If we dont have that then what the hell does this community stand for ?
As far as the mod… I’m enjoying it–the base setup isn’t very good, as many have mentioned, but that’s just part of the challenge–dialing out the oversteer by softening the rear end, bringing more brake bias to the front and reducing front wing will help. The car’s look great, the menus look great, I love the them music… my only disappointment, and it’s a small one, is that the sounds are kind of generic, they don’t really have the low RPM “whoop” these kinds of motors have. But otherwise, lots of fun!
i agree with tigeraid. it’s the first time i have to tweak the setup that much in a mod, it’s not necessary a bad thing cause personnally i think the behaviour of the car might be the best one so far in rfactor.. the car is vicious with oversteer and understeer as well and doesn’t forgive and it’s great that way. The AI seems to take some corners a bit too fast, maybe it’s just me but i can’t make it without a spin while they take some corners even faster without any problem.
that said the physic is fantastic and it’s all that matters.
F1Racer : Thanks for fix,and make the chance mods to become free of option as the ISI became the open rfactor mods.
F1Racer : how you arrived at the values of the alteration of the filing-cabinet?