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So they decide to add some of TG’s least favo cars to the pack?

Knowing Forza, you will probably be able to make the Smart AWD with a V8, though ;)

I can’t believe they didn’t include Morris Marina :D

My thinking is, if they’re wasting their time creating car models of Jeeps, cargo vans and Pacer wagons, then they’re not spending time on new tracks.  If I was still playing the game, I would prefer new tracks over cargo vans.  But what do I know?  I’m just an adult.

Whats the connection between these cars and Top Gear ?   Am I missing something or is this just a  marketing gimmick ?

In Forza 3 you would have, sadly in 4 they removed a lot of the fun swaps and restricted things to cars with the same badge. You can put a Corvette motor into a Camaro, but not a Firebird because of the badge. It’s stupid, so I just mod in whatever they’ve missed.

 You do realise that car modellers don’t do tracks and vice versa?

where’s the underpowered Ford Fiesta pulling a caravan? :(

But they’re all paid by the same corporation. The more money spent on cars, the less spent on tracks probably.

 It’s more of a licensing thing. I remember an interview before the Forza 4 release where they explained that it can be extremely time consuming to get a track license. Then after they have their license they’ll travel there and take a lot of pictures and gather data. And then there is the track creation itself that takes a lot of time.

So it’s much easier to create cars than tracks.

 Or a Reliant Robin  :P

I thought the Porsche pack was coming in May. None of these cars interest me. Forza hasn’t interested me for a long time. The racing just doesn’t have that hook anymore. It’s now more than ever a car collection game.

In general, most of them have been involved in a schtick one way or another.

 Because they can generally just make up data for cars based on other similar ones.

They do the same for the tracks too. Until T10 laser scans tracks and uses that data they’re just using inferior data anyway.

Turn10 has build a database with a lot of real life data so that they can “guess” likely numbers for cars that they don’t have access to the real data.

They do GPS survey their newer tracks, measure camber and also take a lot of reference material. Just look at the Hockenheimring video.

Maybe it’s not as accurate as an iRacing laserscanned track but on the other side it’s much cheaper and the accuracy is still really good.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KiC03_wVjc

I dont see the viper in the pack and the transit they used on nords wasnt supersport version afaik, just normal diesel. The other cars have nothing to do with TG AT ALL so yeah, it is marketing crap.

lol, who knew we had a celeb among us, all this time. hai Bakkster Becker

 But the Transit was used in the van challenge. I assume this is the Jag XJ220 Frankenstein.

Agreed on the cars. There’s much less development required. They would essentially just be tweaking other cars and reskinning them.

Do they map track terrain or is it just GPS data with a fantasy course construction? Sebring obviously has the bumps of the final turn but is there historical data or just guess work based on feedback from drivers etc?

What do you mean by ‘GPS data with a fantasy course construction’? I the video they mention they measure the track with different GPS devices. On guy walks down the entire track on the inner and outer edges with som sort of military GPS device that has a sub-cm accuracy.

Regarding bumps I read for Forza 2 that they give those areas some special treatment with all sorts of measuring but the finetuning is done by drivers that have driven the track and tell them if it feels correct.

That’s still not as accurate as the iRacing laserscanning but it’s way more accurate than most other racing games out there.

After all Forza doesn’t claim to be the most realstic simulator out there. I think that wouldn’t be possible with the 360 hardware either. After all it’s almost 7 years old.

If you want that ultra high precision (laserscanning) you’ll need iRacing. But that comes at it’s cost. Making those tracks is really pricey when you look at the equipment and time you need to scan them.

 I meant as in they make up the bumps based on feedback from drivers.

 You can race with any car. In the 60′s races were being held with cars just over 60hp.You can race with a Transit, you can race with a Pacer. Just anything.

The game’s still about racing.

This should prove T10 really don’t give a Rat’s Butt about content; only the revenue it brings!

I’m not who you think I am, definitely not famous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSAWrswE3Yo

The laser scanning likely doesn’t cost much, if anything, more than doing a GPS scan. Maybe a day or two longer, but considering the bulk of development ends up being a few months back at the office, it’s a drop in the bucket.

I was really surprised when Forza decided to go to GPS instead of mobile laser scanning like AC. It actually seems less accurate and more time consuming than just driving around the track once.

That seems like a contradictory statement to me.

No Photo’s of the beauties of the pack here so.. + Bonus’

 It’s not just the time you need to scan/measure the track it’s also the cost of the equipment itself. I don’t have numbers but I guess that a laserscanner is pretty expensive.

Also it seemed that scanning a track for iRacing does take a lot of time looking at their dev posts.

No longer than a week to scan the track, it takes Forza a few days with their method. The hardware cost gets distributed, as well, across the fifty or so tracks they’ve scanned.

The time to build is more due to the details that go into the tracks than anything else. That isn’t dependant on it being laser scanned or not.