Fanatec Clubsport Wheel – First Video Review

Fanatec has just lifted the review embargo on their powerful new ClubSport Wheel base and below’s the first in-depth video review.

Sebastian Keijmel has created an extensive video review as he got to try the new base both with the highly-anticipated Formula and the BMW GT rim.

Sebastian covers the wheel’s installation, built quality, settings and much more. The 25-minute video is narrated in English and available with subtitles in several languages so make sure to watch below.

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  • Anonymous

    When its gonna be aviable for sale folks ? The BMW rim variant is hot..

    • Erick Nagy

      Same question here, when can we order or pre-order this shit? 

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        Really ?  This is how you talk ?

      • Erick Nagy

        My bad. lol
        Didn’t mean to offend… Just been waiting for so long… Hope it will at least be hardware issues free from the beginning. 

        Cheers.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

         Hopefully.  The wheel base looks like it would last a lifetime.   Really would like this setup.

      • Erick Nagy

        Crossing my fingers here! I had a bad experience with CSP electronics in the past. But, the GT3RS wheel was ok. From the video the mechanical design sounds good, but we never know about the electronics reliability until it comes out. Will get one of these, but keep my T500RS for some time, just in case… ;-)

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

         The T500RS looks a really good wheel too though.   Certainly an option I would have considered.    Right now though I’m more focussed on acquiring this gorgeous setup.

  • Anonymous

    btw 500e for wheelbase and 250e for BMW rim… crazy crazy expensive :) alredy lost interests.

    • http://twitter.com/StarFoXySxv550 StarFoXySxv550

      Dare I say, if you didn’t know these prices before now, you can’t have had that interest for very long anyway.

  • Lemming77

    Looks absolutely fantastic!

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/_KPpFKgXqtgPPTSu7fLGGTbJxw--#e5de9 Cosmos

    and there is the difference between the simracer and the arcade gamer…… the gloves :)

    • http://twitter.com/kr1nz kr1nz

       I think the major difference is in the games that each one plays. :)

      • https://me.yahoo.com/a/_KPpFKgXqtgPPTSu7fLGGTbJxw--#e5de9 Cosmos

        no its definately the gloves. put those on and youre a true hardcore simracer.  either that or you dont want blisters on your delicate hands :)

      • Anonymous

        i got to agree…it pretty ridiculous! Hell, i’m gunna put my suit and helmet on next time i play rfactor!! Safety First People!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Ford/100001922734704 Steve Ford

        I always get a bit of a chuckle when sim racers wear gloves.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        Heh, well some really want to feel like they’re proper race drivers and the gloves adds to the fantasy I guess :)    
        Tell you what though, there are times after a long race I wish I`d had some on.  I just can’t bring myself to actually getting a proper pair, I`d feel daft.   
        Cycling gloves I think would be handy (no pun intended).  They would do a good job and not look so….erm…well.. you fill in the blanks :)

      • http://twitter.com/StarFoXySxv550 StarFoXySxv550

        I wear gloves purely to protect the alcantara on my GT2 from my sweat, and to prolong the life of the material. It was a reasonable investment and I’d like to keep it looking good. Thing is, my gloves are woolly and came from the pound-shop :) 

      • Anonymous

        Does that not in some ways negate the point of the alcantara as it is designed to be touched by skin and allow for grip without slipping ?

        presumably gloves will still ware on the wheel sometimes more or less depends on the glove and wheel material and how they interact.

        I guess if Fanatic know there wheel is going to be raced by people wearing gloves or the FFB is that strong that its worth it then they should just make the wheel out of leather or whatever works well with gloves. 

        I’m not saying wearing gloves is bad mind you , if it works for you it works for you.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        Yeah I like to feel that alcantara as I’m driving.   If it had been a Logitech wheel I think cycle gloves or similar make more sense and they are more sweaty. 
        Alcantara suede just gets warm :) (well then again I dont get sweaty hands)

      • http://twitter.com/StarFoXySxv550 StarFoXySxv550

        I don’t really have a problem with slippage with the gloves. it’s true what you say about the two materials interacting and causing wear, I don’t really know what the outcome will be, I guess only time will tell. I was more concerned about the sweat and trying the keep the alcantara as dry as possible, I know it’s man made stuff but I’m still paranoid about water and suede, and it takes a while to dry.

        In road cars the stuff seems to wear out in 9-12 months with regular use, obviously most road drivers don’t wear gloves, so I thought they might kill two birds with one stone.

        I’d love to race without them though, it feels real nice in the palms (Do people still make “that’s what she said” jokes?)  

      • http://www.facebook.com/SaFalken Tom Coombs

         I wear a pair of Hatch Operator (military) gloves that are similar to racing gloves in thickness and dexterity. Why? To a) save the Alcantara on my CSR Elite, and b) I have dermatitis so the skin on my hands appreciates it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karol-Gronowski/100001185339304 Karol Gronowski

      dont forget to wear helmet ;)

      what a bul.hit

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3FR5OD7UTKHKZCKGODAGFGP6RM D.A.

    Boring Review. Please next time just post the text you wrote down.
    Wheel: You would really buy it? All these gimmicks are better turned off, there a serveral things that needed to be fixed (yes of course, in the final product is all fixed blahblah), fan is loud and price is a joke.
    I dont unterstand how you could compare a wheel that have 3-6x lower price tag and is over 5 years old?

    • http://twitter.com/spamsac spamsac

      Boring comment. Please next time don’t post the text you wrote down.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Ford/100001922734704 Steve Ford

        He does have a good point about comparing it to the logitech since it’s nowhere close in the price range.  Now if he had compared it to the T500rs, that I’d understand.

      • Anonymous

        There will be many more reviews in the next days/week. I’m pretty sure the CSW will be compared to that wheel and other wheels as well. 

      • http://twitter.com/StarFoXySxv550 StarFoXySxv550

        Ya, I think the most relevant comparison is to that of the Frex and T500. This guy is just comparing it to what he has.

        Also a lot of these “Gimmicks” as D.A put it are actually used by some people depending on the way they play, and what they play, they’re mostly the same gimmicks that are on the entire range of fanatec wheels, so I doubt that’s what you’re actually paying for, otherwise all those wheels would be the same price.

    • Anonymous

      Because he was selected by a community to test wheels. Im sure you will not see one negative comment from any “community tester” because they want to get more free stuff.

    • Anonymous

      of course you can compare it. 
      Most people still have a G25, and for most simracers, it would have been the first premium FFB wheel they bought. the games havent changed that drastically in 5 years, and until RF2 (and asseto corsa), it wasn’t worth upgrading.this clubsport wheel changes the game, and so people like me who could still get good laptime with g25, might now consider a really expensive wheel, to get the best out of RF2. At this sort of price, it has to be worth it, which is why these reviews are important. so yes, it makes perfect sense to review it against the g25. 

  • Anonymous

    The most intresting thigs to me about this review 

    1) The wheels response is significantly worse with the BMW wheel ( obviously because of real world physics and inertia ) But importantly what does this mean for the T500 wheel if you use the F1 wheel with it ? , we really need to see the graph data for that.

    2) the table clamp is an absolute joke for the price overly clunky and the fact the angle adapter is not firm is a bit stupid ( granted most people that use this wheel will be attaching it to a rig not a table but the point is if you spend 40-60 euro on a table clamp it should work)

    3) For the price is it really worth it over the G25 when it comes to raw control ?   I would say yes and no the G25 although amazing for its price suffers from the dead zone in the centre and has simply to slow a response when the FFB is set to high and driving anything  approaching a radical and above ( which forces you to race with the FFB lower using it as a guide rather than a aid )

    But this SRW wheel is maybe 9x the price if you include peddles into the cost. Then again if you spend 10+ hours a week sim racing and these wheels last for 3-5+ years than the large upfront cost is not so bad.  

    4) We really need a comparison between this wheel and the t500 using the F1 rim with the graph data showing response time. 

    5) I do like the design and look of the CSW and when it comes to the visual design and the wheel finish its certainly nice.

    As for the review Sure the guy was talking in a rather monotonous voice but he covered a good deal of points and showed quite a few nice camera angles. The guy is clearly not native English and yet talks very clearly As someone that speaks more than one language I can appreciate the effort it can take being clear in your non native tong.   

    I would have liked to have seen some light handed driving and some more spinning of the wheel to show how lose it is ( not that you can really appreciate ffb from a video but it might go some way)    Obviously he also has the video of him doing a race which is nice. 

    Although not as nicely presented and edited , in terms of content the video was as good as a ISR video and better than allot of the videos done by “Sim Racing Review” or other you tube channels , So I would say good job !

    Stuff like this he should have put in the original video :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x26-qCQskXA&feature=relmfu

    • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

       The table clamp (2) is something I own.  Yes its clunky and heavy and you can bang your knees on the turning handle which is very annoying.  But the angle part of it has never once moved for me.  Its extremely rigid on the table.   It definately does the job its designed for, but yes, the design itself would be better if Apple had done it. :)

      • Chris Allen

         Ditto, clamp is a beast and my tilt has not moved either.  And yes it is a knee banger.  I have a rig that does not tilt so I used it on there also, and ended up cutting off the bottom off it (where u bang knees), and bolting it to my rig for the tilt feature.  Grinded off the corners so its smooth, still was a great buy.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

         Yeah in fact, my wheel is angled on that clamp a little so its not lying flat metal to metal.  It really doesn’t move at all.   The power of a couple of tiny allen screws holds it into place in the little dents in the metal bar. 
        The only thing Ive ever done to it is WD-40’d the turning screw so it was nice and easy to tighten.  
        It’s awkward and heavy but I’m so glad I have it. 

  • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

    Sorry if this is a little off-topic but I need a bit of help here…

    My clubsport pedals..  Recently Im in races and suddenly Im dropping off the pace quite badly. 
    Turns out when I return to my Controller page, the brake pedal is now showing thats its about quarter way depressed on the slider even though Im not touching it. 
    Switching off the wheel and back on again can reset this but then it returns.   Is this something I can fix here ?  
    Any help appreciated as obviously sim-racing is a no-go in this situation unless I have a 30% deadzone on the damn pedal.  
    The clutch is the same, sometimes it can engage like that during a race dropping me off the pace also.  So now I dont even bother mapping clutch and use auto-clutch in case it happens in-race.
    When the clutch is depressed the slided is bouncing up and down like nuts.

    Can’t afford a new set right now so need some other solution.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t trust Fanatec again is your solution.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

         I’ve been very happy with Fanatec as it happens.

    • terrible1fi

      hey it sounds like your load cell wore out. this is the piece that is wired into the brake pedal to detect how hard you are braking, and this will wear out over time. if you email fanatec support I’m sure they can help you out, or you can buy one for about 15$ on the web shop. it is very straightforward to change out

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

         Thanks man.   For that price, I`ll grab a new one and hope I don’t get stiffed on the postage :)

  • Chris Allen

    Always thought it was strange that they decided to put Pink buttons on a wheel….
    I thought they would change those before production started. Pink? Why not green, yellow?

  • Anonymous

    When are they actually going to perfect a wheel before coming out with three more ?  Way too expensive and why would anyone trust products coming from this company? Failure rates are way too high for a company that’s been doing this for so long. Good luck to all those that actually buy this wheel versus the “community testers” who are getting free wheels and then marketing them by making videos. Testers shouldn’t be worried about pumping out ten videos to do a review.  Shouldn’t they be testing and then reporting on issues to be fixed.  This is just a gorilla marketing campaign.

    • Anonymous

      Testers still had to pay half the price for the wheel , due to some people in the past just taking them or not doing reviews.  ( from what I understand)

      • Anonymous

        Yes, however if they want they can send it back after the testing period and get their money back.

    • Anonymous

      so true send out dozens to reviewers to boost marketing meanwhile customer service is joke, wonder if insidesimracing will ever get chance to test Fanatac again after that dust up that happened.

      that is why Logitech G27 is king.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        I think Fanatecs bad customer service is either a myth or something that used to be but isn’t any more.

        I’ve dealt with them a few times and each and every time they were friendly, willing to help and very quick to respond.  Not only that but they saved me over €150 when they offered to replace my wheel base for €45 and that saved me replacing the whole wheel not to mention the additional postage.  That was a lifesaver for me and there would be other companies out there that wouldn’t even make you aware of that option so you bought the full wheel which they knew I would have done otherwise.   Oh and btw, I broke the wheel, it didn’t do it on it’s own accord.

        I know another case where a guy had to return a broken wheel and not only did they send out the new know before he sent off the old one (so it was done on trust), but they offered to pay for his postage costs to ship the old one back because he was unemployed.

        I’ve had Logitechs before and when I had to replace a wheel with them, they wanted to replace my G25 with a G27 because THEY didn’t have any G25’s left but still insisted I pay the difference in full.   I didn’t and switched to Fanatec.    Guess who I’m happier with :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1711429307 Chris Wright

    I’ve been using a Logitech Driving Force Pro for many years now, having sold one, bought a G25, which I hated, and then gone back to another DFP again. Still performs like a champ, with no signs of wear despite constant use, on everything I throw at it, from iRacing to rF2 to PCars etc. When I read about the problems people are having with these high end wheels, I can’t see me changing any time soon, until my wheel or pedals finally give up, at which time I’ll probably just go for a DFGT. I think the law of diminishing returns sets in pretty quickly when it comes to wheels.

    • Chris Allen

      I’ve had two Fanatec wheels (both different), been using Fanatec wheels for over 3 years and never had a problem with either.  Its just the ones with problems you hear about sometimes, I would buy Fanatec in the future, but dang I hate that pink button. When more reviews get out there we will know for sure, right now there is not a good comparison vs a T500 etc.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

        Would it help if you thought of it as lilac or purple ?  :) It doesnt look pink-pink on my monitor.

      • Chris Allen

        Lol no, you could also call it lavender but it’s still a pinkish button. I mean he went to all this work to make a great looking wheel and puts 2 pink buttons on it, right at the top. I mean if they already had green or yellow on the wheel that might make sense. I wonder how that decision got made that a pinkish button was what needed to go there lol.

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

         You could get some enamel model paint and redo them to your own taste :)  One black, one white.

  • Eric Zehnder

    Very informative review.

    Wish I could afford a top-tier wheel like this but alas it’s a Logitech G27 for me.

    • gt3rsr

      Haha, not a long time ago, G25/27 was a wet dream of many simracers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Every/678881382 Robert Every

    Gotta be honest, anybody that wears glioves to play a game is a bit daft!! Hilarious really

    • Anonymous

      Or, you know, their hands sweat a lot ;)

    • http://twitter.com/StarFoXySxv550 StarFoXySxv550

      Some people think it’s daft sitting behind a virtual wheel and a bunch pixels..
      Somewhere.. Somebody.. is laughing at you too
      lol

      • http://racingrenders.com/ F1Racer

         heh, that’s a fair point actually :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/maurice.boeschen Maurice Böschen

    Using gloves on a full alcantara BMW rim or the Formula rim makes sense. It is not really for the immersion (at least in my case). I saw that my Formula rim absorbs the sweat of my handy after a few weeks and that the Alcantara got a bad quality. Then I decided to buy a pair of gloves (Sparco). Now my rims feel like they are brand new out of the box, no sweat in the Alcantara grips etc. I also have a lot more grip with my gloves than without gloves, it is much easier to turn the BMW wheel for example now. And to be true.. My friends already said that I’m a freak before I bought the gloves.. Our complete hobby is just freaking awesome, so why no gloves when they help to provide good quality of the rims and also better ergonomics?!
    See my first in game footage videos here:
    CSW Formula rim in pCars:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trEghTONmCQ 

    CSW BMW M3 GT2 Rim in pCars:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JE5FviZHqg 

    • http://twitter.com/StarFoXySxv550 StarFoXySxv550

      Ha, just read this after I made the comment below.

  • jswarthoff

     logitech, please wake up and make us an affordable belt-driven wheel.

  • Anonymous

    The reviewer questioned the durability of the Alcantara. I can attest that it is extremely durable and will retain the suade feel for a very long time. The areas where your hands are the most may smooth a little but still will not feel extremely worn.
     
    The main concern with the Alcantara cover would be the stitching and if a more durable type thread was used with this wheel. On my GT3 RS v2 the stiching where my left thumb goes frayed and I had to make a repair which I used a mono filament fishing line but urged Thomas to use a high grade anti fraying threaded fishing line as a material for the stitching
    .
    Which if anybody has a problem with a broken stitching on their well used Fanatec wheels to try this as a repair. I believe you can find these types of fishing lines in black and should last a very long time

  • John G. Hill

    This is a really sexy wheel, and I’ve wanted it for some time now.  The problem is, I’ve had two Fanatec wheels now, the current CSR, and the previous model,  the 911 Turbo S.  The problem is that on iRacing, I’m getting zero vibration from my virtual motor, while I’m sitting in the pits.  To turn the wheel fast, and not have it overly weighted, I have to turn down the Force Feedback to the point where I can barely feel it.  My dumb Microsoft wheel I used on Forza, actually did things better than the Fanatec.  I really want the wheel, but not sure if I want to continue without having the kind of Force Feedback I used to enjoy on lesser wheels.

    • http://twitter.com/StarFoXySxv550 StarFoXySxv550

      The rumble from the engine in forza games is a feature of the hardware using the XID protocol.
      PC and PS3 use HID Protcol which doesn’t allow for the use of the two rumble motors in the wheel simultainouly to the FFB. All rumble feedback has to be emulated via FFB in those cases.

      In short I think the feeling you are looking for is impossible to get on the PC simply because it isn’t really supported by the software. Of course I could be completly misunderstanding you.

      I can feel this engine rumble on my GT2 (in forza) and it’s somewhat muted by the alcantara wheel cover, so you should be able to on the CSR, this was in fact one of the plus points between the comparison of the two wheels.  

  • Anonymous

    Logitech better do something to make a better wheel and catch up within the next yr or so.

  • Anonymous

    This new
    wheel looks fantastic, definitely an object of desire and I may have to put my
    Turbo S wheel up on Ebay. In my experience Fanatec’s support has been top
    notch, all their pre and post sales emails were answered within 24 hours by a
    very courteous lady called Sabine and on the one occasion where I did have a
    problem I got a reply back from Fanatec support within 30 minutes to help diagnose
    the problem and then within another 20 minutes got a reply that they would send
    out a new wheel immediately without me having to send the old one back and
    incur any costs.

    It’s that
    kind of AAA support that makes me confident of buying from Fanatec again. As
    with any mas production product from computer components to microwave ovens
    there will be some customers who experience problems and it’s those who
    experience problems who are the most vocal. I’m just giving my point of view on
    this from my experience of Fanatec.

    I like the
    option to have the wheel in a flat position as I feel that will work better and
    will likely be more comfortable in my Obutto cockpit. The belt drive should
    also rid me of one of the big issues for wheels over the last decade and that’s
    gear notches. To be able to install new rims is also a bonus, it’s like having
    a new wheel so should make the longevity of this product worth the initial
    outlay which is quite expensive.

    With
    Logitech being so quiet for so long the only real competitor in this price
    range is Thrustmaster who in my experience of flight sim joysticks have had a
    terrible reputation for support and build quality. That said it’s good to see
    them and Fanatec both coming up with new products and long may it continue.

    This new
    wheel looks fantastic, definitely an object of desire and I may have to put my
    Turbo S wheel up on Ebay. In my experience Fanatec’s support has been top
    notch, all their pre and post sales emails were answered within 24 hours by a
    very courteous lady called Sabine and on the one occasion where I did have a
    problem I got a reply back from Fanatec support within 30 minutes to help diagnose
    the problem and then within another 20 minutes got a reply that they would send
    out a new wheel immediately without me having to send the old one back and
    incur any costs.

    It’s that
    kind of AAA support that makes me confident of buying from Fanatec again. As
    with any mas production product from computer components to microwave ovens
    there will be some customers who experience problems and it’s those who
    experience problems who are the most vocal. I’m just giving my point of view on
    this from my experience of Fanatec.

    I like the
    option to have the wheel in a flat position as I feel that will work better and
    will likely be more comfortable in my Obutto cockpit. The belt drive should
    also rid me of one of the big issues for wheels over the last decade and that’s
    gear notches. To be able to install new rims is also a bonus, it’s like having
    a new wheel so should make the longevity of this product worth the initial
    outlay which is quite expensive.

    With
    Logitech being so quiet for so long the only real competitor in this price
    range is Thrustmaster who in my experience of flight sim joysticks have had a
    terrible reputation for support and build quality. That said it’s good to see
    them and Fanatec both coming up with new products and long may it continue.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1711429307 Chris Wright

       It’s good to read the flip side of the coin.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you, Sebastian, for this well crafted and complete review :)
    Don’t mind some comments below, your work is very appreciated.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LTDTXXOXMP4ETNK2SX3QIFBTZE Francois

    sorry, but what a bad position for driving…
    wheel facing the middle of the chest…
    beside, this wheels are just looking real good… a bit expensive though!

  • http://twitter.com/Polyphonie Mike

    A good job reviewing the CSW.

    Those who are seeing pink buttons- it’s actually magenta/fuchsia.  It’s not lavender since that’s a flower and not a colour.  It’s the same colour used on the few of the button caps on the original BMW M3 GT2 race car steering wheel.  If you’re seeing pink, maybe it’s time to re-calibrate the monitor or if it’s via the phone- stay off those nasty AMOLED.

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