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reducing the size of it’s buying customer by not including windows xp seems crazy.theres little interest in this now anyway due to the poor job they have done to date on the f1 franchise

They seriously need to do something special with this one, I bought the last 2 titles in support, I won’t be buying the third unless it is actually worthwhile, some of the bugs remaining in both titles is un-acceptable and they seem to have no conscience about that. 

Fair enough. Windows XP is more than a decade old now, GRID didn’t support Windows 98.

Even Microsoft doesn’t support XP anymore. Gotta happen sometime…

 XP is really outdated OS now. Even if you are used to it and it works fine you’ll need to change some day. Windows7, which I am using for almost 2 years now is quite stable and reliable, at least for me and after Vista fiasco it is the best available Windows OS until, maybe, Windows 8 beats ti.

Microsoft is supporting XP until April 8 2014 ;)

There is little interest from the sim enthusiast community maybe (but I would disagree with this statement) but they still sell very well to the general public. 

I don’t see point in using winxp anymore either, however its not the same situation as with win 98.
People replaced win98 with winxp very quickly, when GRID was released the number of w98 users was tiny, whilst today winxp users are still common because winxp doesn’t suck as w98 did. So I believe its going to reduce their sales if they p*ss on wxp users, by at least 10%….

No Problem

XP is a good OS, still can be useful for machines still using 1GB, old duals/P4′s. It can be a very handy workstation still, very reliable. However, as gaming is concerned, not much point on using it in 2012. Windows 8 is right around the corner.

 Yeah, no problem. I wouldn’t buy it anyway.

 Agreed!! They need to throw in some classic F1 cars/tracks or something. I bought the last two titles as well and I’ll be skipping this year.

‘Despite being on the market since 2002, XP is still rather widespread so this will affect a larger number of users.’
XP still seems widespread due to a lot of companies are still using it, and probably will still use it untill it is fully EOL. Certainly with W8 coming up companies will hasitate to invest in W7 as it would require users to relearn an OS twice.

Anyway, a logical step, a lot of applications/games already dont support XP anymore

Main support with updates etc. already ended in 2011. This date untill 2014 is only important updates when a huge leak is found and support for companies who still have a license. Outside of this XP support is pretty much gone

IF the PC versions shows great improvements in graphics/performance, not just the typical higher res, textures, framerate and some other effects just increased, than I think it’s justifiable,
BUT if they release something that look mostly like a 2005/2006 console (DX9 hardware level mostly) like f1 2010/2011/Dirt 3, than this is just stupid….

anyway, for me is a shame, while I have 7 on my PC, I only play racing games on XP, because of my wheel, on the ideal world F1 2012 would use OpenGL, you can run tessellation and other DX11 effects using open gl on windows XP.

anyway, XP is not to old in my opinion, the last service pack is from 2008, brand new PCs with XP were still being sold a couple of years ago,

most of the new softwares and hardware works fine on XP.

Codies are getting a lot of “hate” lately,I  never comment on that because I didn’t tried their recent games (F1 series), but I’ve read lots of people saying the same as you.

Last codie’s product I bought was GRID, and I was pretty satisfied with it, just like previous Race Driver games.

Windows XP is an OS obsolete and should be replaced rather

I don’t know any PC gamers running XP

I do game quite a lot and I’m using XP most of the time, so there you go,
also around 15% of Steam users also use Windows XP (according to the latest steam hardware survey)

 ’XP still seems widespread due to a lot of companies are still using it, and probably will still use it untill it is fully EO’

I work for an OEM and we still have customers that ask for WinXP on new products, so I can’t wait for it to go full EOL.

A lot of it has to do with the military and healthcare markets though.  The gov. needed to approve Win7 before companies could start using it, and in healthcare everything needs to be validated before it can be used, and that can be a long process.

Lucky XP people, this limitation will unknowingly save them from frustrations and wasting money.

Really? have you ran into the usb endless check, or the empty context menus, or how about not being able to play the great old games like nascar 2003, or f1 challenge. No sometimes older is better, I just wiped windows seven off my system and went to xp.!!!!!

I get so sick of people talking about windows 7 & 8, what they will bring is more frustration and problems, I am a tech and I wouldnt throw my friends to the wolves like that. I tried windows 8 and think that if I am a pc user looking to game, it is really kind of stupid, and sure you can turn it off. But how many people do you know that could. I am not saying peopld are stupid, I am saying when you have to answer some of the questions I do. You know that people are still not computer savy. Xp will do fine thank you. If you know anything there are people are treating xp like it is linux distro, I mean changing it to suit their needs, try that with windows 7, microsoft is luck if they know what is wrong about their op system!

I think that you are seeing exactly what they think of us. I game on xp and I have not had 16 gigs of memory sucked up like it was water as in win 7. I had better success runing f1 2010 in xp than win 7 too!

U dont need microsoft to support  it  try doing a search on usenet there are distros of xp that are better than microsoft could ever make it!

 hahaha indeed.

I didn’t upgrade to Vista when I built this PC due to all of the issues at the time, and now that 7 is common and bugfixed it makes sense to upgrade. I’m not going to spend all that money on a license until I really need to reinstall my OS though, likely whenever I buy a new PC. It still runs everything on medium to high settings however, so I’ll probably be on XP for a while longer. So yes, I’ll change some day, but it doesn’t make financial sense for me yet.

well, I used XP for almost 8 years and I don’t miss it. I’m very happy with Windows 7 64, be it for work or gaming. I’m not much in a hurry to change for 8, unless there’s some performance gains.

 That’s exacly what I wanted to write opening the thread. :)

Windows XP – Not supported
Physics – Not supported

I still haven´t understood how any Simracer and F1 fan can buy this junk! 
It has always been crap and it will always be crap when will people get it?

Answer: Never because they consistently belive the hype-train of Codefailures.

Proper PC Hardware support, ie wheels and pedals – Not properly supported

I love DIRT2 and DIRT3….they don’t pretend to be anything other than decent driving games, with fun side shows, neither of the F1 games to date have the same game play satisfaction, regardless of the Sim element, that’s the difference for me anyway.

The only thing that is supported with F1 2012 is them supporting you to buy their crap. 

that´s about it. But i bet a load of people still haven´t figured out the Fraud of Codemasters.

xp outdated? it will run rfactor 2 just fine :P

Oh no…. it won’t run on XP.  What about my Commodore 64 ? Dos 2.0 ?

Do you still have an tv antenna with a rotor on it ?

 Because I can actually enjoy a game rather than do one lap of it and think “Wrong… wrong…. wrong…. wrong.”

 What kind of tech ? Engineer as in railroad ?

Well done you. Enjoy XP.

I’ve had Win 7 for 18 months and had no problems, not even those you are referring to and I also run a game that is 10 years old (Links 2003) without any problems at all (don’t even have to force Win XP SP3 compatibility mode).

But, back on topic, I’ll be like the XP users as I won’t be playing F1 2012, lol.

i do that too when i play Mario Kart because it´s being advertised as an arcade game. 
what they say is what i get,  bit different with Code….Codemasters claim to be SO realistic but anyone in their right mind would also think wrong, wrong, wrong, so wrong, wtf is the safety car doing?, wrong. wrong, wrong. 

 I’ve just read three post from you on this very page, none of them were respectful or even pertinent.. just typical bashing and it’s getting annoying.

Get over it, dude. Your whinging changes nothing.

 I’m terribly sorry your annoyed. It is pertinent because  XP is 11 years old so any serious gamer would not be using it anyway.

A serious gamer could be using it because so many great games that have been released do not function properly with Vista or 7. You’re not a serious gamer, you’re a serious arrogant annoyance. I am on Windows 7 only because this PC was built this year, I have to go through some hoops to get some of my older stuff functioning properly.

ooh Codemasters suck more and more the new Game will not be in my Schelf sorry but the news about the new games make my me cry like F1 2011 no changes to make it more to an Sim

maybe i’m going to GTR3 ,Asseto Corsa or Project Cars

bye Codemasters!!

Although I agree with you, Nascar 2003 and F1 Challenge work with Windows 7

NASCAR 2003 and F1 Challenge both work perfectly fine on my Windows 7 64 Bit system.

You seem mad.

F1 2011 is great fun, I love driving it!

F1 2012 looks like it shall continue to improve upon F1 2011, so I shall buy it on the day it comes out… (Because I like having fun! :D)

RF2 and almost every new software coming out,
when the market is still dominated by DX9 and 32bit code, there is no point in not supporting XP.
and I don’t see DX9 loosing relevance soon (and keep in mind dx11 is from 2009, DX10 from 2006), so I’m curious to see how F1 2012 from codemasters will use the advantages of DX10+, because they are still going to release the game for DX9 hardware (basically) on the consoles, so I expect the PC version to be greatly improved (something that wasn’t true on their previous games, with unnoticeable improvements in DX11 mode compared to DX9 mode)

for the people criticizing XP it would be nice to say WHY, “old” is not a valid argument for me, explain why XP should be avoided at the moment for anyone playing racing games? because for me it has been working really well for the intended use…  

I have a lot of experience with 7 to, but sometimes there is just not a huge advantage in “upgrading”, it seems hard for some to accept..
also XP have better compatibility with some software and hardware, and for me it require less tweaking to work the way I prefer, 

it’s inevitable to upgrade at some point (8 is coming, 7 is also going to be left behind by MS at some point), but right now XP is still doing well enough for many uses, for gaming, when the next generation of consoles arrive, that’s probably going to be the end for XP, but for now…

So your saying Rfactor 2 is already outdated? ahh ok i see ;)

(yes its a joke, LAUGH!)

That´s what i fear. 

10 years later you will sit there with 15 copies of F1 and maybe then you will realize that “hang on a minute… only the cars have changed through the years) 

Certain people you can give them a stick and they would entertain themselves for hours.

XP – good solid OS
Vista – lets not talk about it…
Win 7 – best OS ever created by Microsoft. 

Never had single problem ever with Win 7. Which is amazing since we are talking about Microsoft here. 

You crack me up.  What does it matter to you if someone else has fun with a game and you don’t?

Just because you don’t enjoy it, doesn’t mean other people can’t.

Certain people moan far too much. You should probably just leave it alone if its letting you get your knickers in THAT much of a twist :P
Things that make F1 10/11/12 a really great game for me - 

‘Can I jump online and race with my Dad in Australia?’- Yes, The Co-op season we did was great
‘Does it feel enjoyable to drive’? – Yes
‘Are the graphics decent?’ – Yes
‘Do the AI provide a challenge?’ – Yeah, I can just about beat them on ‘Legend’
‘DRS and Kers?’ – Yeah.
‘Does the FFB feel nice if correctly setup?’ – Yes.

Also, I buy 2 copies each year. 1 for the PS3 in my Living Room and 1 for my PC in my bedroom. The PS3 gets used when I play online with Dad, and my PC gets used when I’m on my own :)

Well I still keep an XP system for some of the old classics but agree most people are on Win 7 so I don’t think it will have a drastic effect since most still running XP will want to upgrade for other upcoming titles as well and you can always dual boot OS’s so what’s the big stink?

Why not just skip over his posts

The no-XP announcement (is it really so surprising?) appears to have opened up yet another barrage of contumely aimed at Codemasters.

I’ll put my hands up and say that some of the design decisions made by them in the F1 series to date have been somewhat underwhelming, Nonetheless I feel compelled to defend them in the face of mounting criticism, on the basis that the two titles to date do have quite a lot going for them. The problem is the perennial hang up over what constitutes a sim and what doesn’t. Codies have clearly taken the view that their games should be accessible to all and that is what informs the direction they have taken with this franchise.

Yes, they over hype it every year. Yes, it’s frustrating that there is still no decent replay system, etc. But the racing is very entertaining and does an excellent job of replicating the rules and strategies of the sport.

What I think we must all face is that the Geoff Crammond titles were of a different age. We will quite possibly never see another title made in that sort of style, because the F1 license is no doubt so excruciatingly expensive these days that any grand prix game has to appeal to the mass market simply to recoup the enormous investment and to stand a chance of making a decent profit..

Thinking about this the other day, I realised that while many of us have roundly criticised Codemasters, perhaps the real blame lies at the feet of Mr Ecclestone, who probably couldn’t care less about sim racing – probably doesn’t even know precisely what it is. If there were some way of separating licenses, so that there was one for console style games and one for serious PC simulation, then I guess we’d all stand a chance of being happy. Unfortunately, that’s about as likely as Virtua LM releasing its Group C mod before the night is out…

I simply can’t agree with you that any of the titles you mention looks that bad? Dirt 3, in particular, is graphically exceptional at times, when maxed out.

Anyone who’s tried DX11 can see that it is a major leap forward from DX9. 

I know this, I understand they have to make it the way they do – that doesn’t mean I should praise the title just because they spend time on it because well, I don’t like arcade racers. 

I would compare this situation to this:imagine this would be site about metal music. Most posts would be about metal and than bam, owner posts about some quality hip hop album. It can be expected that there will be hate posts because most metal listeners don’t care about hip hop.

It is a bit foolish Not to expect hate posts about F1 game here because it is literally different genre compared to rf2 or AC etc. 

where did I say it look bad? I didn’t, I simply stated that they don’t look massively improved on the PC compared to the Xbox 360, a console released in late 2005, and current PCs are far superior, have you played Dirt 3 in DX9? I have, as I did in DX11, and the difference is… well, insignificant… the game was not build from 0 with DX11 in mind, so the benefits are not that great, and I believe it will be the same for F1 2012, since the PC will share most of the game with the Xbox 360 and PS3 (consoles from the DX9 era, with mostly DX9 hardware), so I doubt you will see any significant benefit from not supporting DX9 on the PC, on a game built for machines from the DX9 era (PS3 and its geforce 7, Xbox 360 and its Radeon x1k+),

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-dirt-3-face-off?page=3

I don´t know it´s a bit like Religion. You know it´s their choice to believe in what they want but you just can´t help to think how their lives would be without being brainwashed. 

That is not entirely true.   They have still been releasing their standard first Tuesday monthly updates.  I got a batch of them last Wednesday.
 

and making it dx11 only, is like telling ppl that have video cards that are still pretty good but are only dx9, ” Hey you! YOU CANT BUY OUR GAME see !!!” I know that prolly there arent that many now, one should think, but there still are and those ppl that might want to buy the game cant.
In Jeremy Clarkson´s words ” … i have 2 feet so ill shoot myself in that one … ” ?!?!?!?!

I totally agree. This is a big mistake from Codemasters!

I need healp!! F1 2012 don’t launch on windows 8 64-bit