xilix: Honestly, developers need to stop doing things like this. If you have the best, then the software will speak for itself. I highly doubt that Codemasters has the expertise required to itch the scratch that us hardcore guys have for unforgiving realism. Stop making promises about a game you haven’t even developed yet.
Like I’ve said in the past, the ONLY, and I mean ONLY way to have a game that satisfies both “casual gamers” and hardcore sim freaks, is to first make the game a balls-out hardcore simulation through and through. THEN, ad assists and physics dumb-down modes for those casual gamers. The trick is to have these “arcade” modes and assists on by default for the arcade guys so the bean-counters can bust a nut. Then us hardcore sim guys can dig into the real deal sim by shutting all that off.
If they don’t follow this formula of development, it will not satisfy us hardcore sim guys as much as the F1 mods for rFactor like FSOne and CTDP. It’d probably be a good idea for CM to employ one of those groups IMO.

Race Pro did that and satisfied nobody, people went back to forza 2 and left it and im sure taht codemasters are left with that problem, many want an arcade game than a full on sim and thats the sad truth :(

Sensekhmet:
As for the F1… please, don’t simulate the F1 world! It would end up being some dark RPG/adventure game in which spying, political struggles and evil plans would be normal and the story would involve whiner celebrity drivers, temperamental team bosses and sponsor-whoring among other things… clearly an M rated game, also possibly a very depressing one.

Heh, like it :) Max Moseley -FIA Manager by Codemasters.
Or, Ecclestone Grand Prix. Rule changes come by monthly updates and you can have circuits on the calendar that are not complete yet. Donington is a permanently locked circuit.

I wonder if F1-2010 will include grid-drop penalties for any infractions in quali. That would be new.

By the way…someone disputed the age of consolers…well Totally wired had a write up that showed that after 1995 the age of gamers (they were talking of consoles) went up significantly in Europe and the US to between 31 to 36. That was 1995, and those people are 14 years older now!

I work in a professional (technical) environment with people mostly in their 30s to 40s – those who game use consoles (and they *live* on a PC so it’s not for lack of technical skils). Fact is, consoles are not the realm of pimple faced teens – I sometimes feel like the only guy who pc games/sims!

Again…keeping an open mind – what harm does it do?

Jos: well its shouldn’t be too hard for codemaster to create F1 physics, I mean, the only thing F1 cars do is drive like their on rails.

Hehe, not really mate…especially now. However I wouldn’t be surprised if CM has that same train of thought.

JAGUAR1977:
The average age of next gen console owners is mid 30’s, FPS games used to be gaming PC’s biggest selling point, now consoles host the best FPS titles.

i dont think so

^ this is the diplomaticy of codemasters – yes it captures but its not a simulator , for now , like any other game from codies

F1 2010 – Best F1 Game Ever? no doubt in graphics – yes

but there are lots of good looking games on pc/consoles – not much of them are sims , and this is what we expect , we are not kids ….

Arcade mode was okay when consoles had become powerful but only had buttons on their gamepads, and when PC gamers could be forgiven for only having a keyboard to play on.

Codemasters = fun gameplay but floaty cars.

You are seriously underestimating the console community if you think the majority considered GRID to be a sim.

The two most popular console racing games are Gran Turismo and Forza, their physics are closer to iRacing than GRID, and that’s before the latest versions have been released.

I have a theory, on the PC side Codemasters have been the only large company releasing racing titles regularly, the PC community has scrutinised each offering far more than the console community, who always considered GRID, Dirt, TOCA, Colin McRae Rally etc. to be typical arcade offerings.

And even if it’s not, well, screw it. Then we’ll still have rFactor 2 (which NO ONE doubts, apparently) all filled up with F1 mods – and possibly even GTR3.

I must say, however, that stating “we have the best F1 game ever” is pushing it too far. In the eyes of us sim racers, that’s a disgrace to say. But face it guys, it’s just a marketing stunt. When all the young F1 fans all over the world hear that Codemasters is in the midst of creating “the best F1 game ever”, of course they’re going to want it. Sales tactics.

YOU ALL: Be optimistic, not pessimistic. At least we’ll get a Formula One game for the PC. Go outside and enjoy the fine weather instead of ranting here. I’ll go do that now at least.

The last arcade/sim release by them that had some sort of balance between the two was Collin McRae2, back around 2000!

TOCA Race Driver (1) promised the earth in 2002, trying to have a good sim and arcade mode, yet it failed with both (arcade drove like a train on rails, sim made every car feel like a race on ice). The car selection and tracks were a good mix, but they drove so badly. The lack of track cutting detection was appauling.

Race Driver 2 in 2004 promised to build on the previous title. Once again though, the sim mode felt pretty bad and it was still possible to cut huge chucks of track. The selection of cars and tracks was more limited (I think?).

Race Driver 3 came along in 2006. Hype marketing involved claiming pre-renders were actual gameply footage. The arcade mode Porsche (my favourite) could do laptimes quicker than real life F1! Once again the sim mode was awful. The cutting issues were still not sorted. And then there was the “4000 slot points upgrade exploit” allowing online cheats to maximize all possible car upgrades.[b]Codemasters realeased a “fix” but the exploit still remained…[/b] Good fix!!!!!

GRID is their most recent road racer. It might look quite nice, has a sense of speed, but still we have rediculous handling (most corners can be taken with a quick release of throttle, no brake needed). So once again crazy laptimes.

They probably paid a fortune for the F1 licience, they need suckers to be sucked into buying the game without getting the chance to try a demo first. Codies in recent times have often witheld any demo until months after the full release, testing the patience of “fence sitters” who end up buying the game to see what it is like. This lines the pockets of Codies with pennies, covers the licience fee, but then they fail to deliver on post-sale support, releasing weak patches before the dev team moves on to the next money spinner…

As always, I am hoping to be wrong. I really hope I feel obliged to say “sorry, CM!” at some point.