Automobilista Removed From Steam Over Copyright Claim

Reiza Studios’ Automobilista Early Access title has been removed from Steam momentarily due to a copyright claim from a third party.

As the studio explained:

“The Steam store page for Automobilista has been taken down due to a copyright infringement claim which had been submitted to Valve.

As is known, Automobilista packages a variety of officially licensed cars & brands alongside fictionalized, originally created content. The claim in question does not make any specific reference to content present in Automobilista supposedly in infringement of the party´s copyright – until it does, our belief is that it has no merit.

We have already taken the appropriate measures to resolve the issue ASAP, but in accordance to Valve´s policy, the process may take a few days to be completed.

In the meantime time we will continue to progress with the development of Automobilista, and intend to release another Early Access update shortly. The game is available for purchase as part of our Membership packages from our forum store.

Please understand that until the matter is fully resolved, we may not be able to discuss it.”​

The availability of the game to owners is not affected as Automobilista continues to work both in online and offline mode until the matter is resolved.

GTOmegaRacing.com

  • anonymouse

    I wouldn’t say “availability it’s not affected”.
    http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/hdv-mismatch-automobilista-v10.119850/
    Looks like either someone screwed up his installation of the game (Which is far from being impossible, I once spent days trying to find the problem with one of my mods and then I discovered I had a small typo in an obscure file) or Reiza somehow blocked temporarily the “Extreme” F1 cars, which invalidates the statement above.

    • William Mazeo

      works fine offline

  • Guimengo

    Ditch the Extremes and give us a buddy for the Classic. Screw FOM.

    • The Turtle

      I agree. I think the new F1 cars suck in real life and in sims.

    • BarryDennen12

      Nope, I like ’em. The competition has been largely boring in real life but I really enjoy driving them in GSC/Automobilista. Put it this way – they don’t hurt anyone by being in there. I find the Super Trucks boring but I’m not asking anyone to take them out.

  • Patrik Marek

    haha! 😀

    • Jyri Kettunen

      What’s so funny?

      • William Mazeo

        Some people like to see others having problem, that’s why he laughs

      • Patrik Marek

        I explained/clarified it in my other post, which for some reason got “pending approval” status .. not sure why really

        but what do people expect when they try to re-use licensed content without paying the license ?
        they get called on it

        it doesn’t automatically mean that they will lose the case, but it certainly gets attention

        Porsche is next I suppose

      • Hash

        Haha? are you freaking serious, are you the one that narked? all of arma 3 weapons and vehicles are direct copies with changed names, not caused any issues, but this? far out, showing some interesting colours their Patrik, Haha indeed.

      • Patrik Marek

        why do you feel so hurt about it ? because someone touched your precious game ??

        I could care less about Reiza games, not my cup of tea, and if they are doing something Illegal, yes – I find it funny that they got caught and now they are playing the game ” oh we didn’t know, it wasn’t our intention” or even worse ” no, it looks nothing like the real F1″

        they knew better when they added those car into their “game” , and now they are paying price .. simple as that

        and yes, I find that funny ( and little sad too )

      • Jyri Kettunen

        So what’s the licensed content in AMS that is re-used without paying the license?

    • Mario Strada

      I can see somebody being giddy at the news, considering how many people here and elsewhere enjoy drama, as long as it happens to someone else. But taking the time to post it? Why?

      I would understand and sort of sympathize if this was some huge company with more money than Odin himself screwing people over any chance they got, but these are possibly the nicest guys in Simracing.

      It doesn’t mean they are infallible or incapable of making a mistake or intentionally stretch the limits, but rejoicing over a copyright claim?
      This is their livelihood, I presume. I don’t find it funny. In fact, I find it pretty classless.
      It’s not that people are not entitled to their emotions, they are, you are and so am I. I find the post and the sentiment behind it puerile, gratuitous and very short of funny.

      • Patrik Marek

        when big studio falls, 300 people and families are out of work, I think that’s way bigger tragedy then if same happens to 3 people

      • stef4o23

        Patrick Marek – I truly feel sorry for you! Talking about stealing and making it matter of fact while no one has the faintest idea what is really happening.. That’s a lot of hate and jealousy towards Reiza, but it’s not their fault you couldn’t be like them – modders that actually made it and are also appreciated by the community!
        I hope FIFA knocks your door for copyright infringement when they find out you play football with a round ball like theirs!

      • Patrik Marek

        If I was organizing league such as Premier league, used names of the teams and their dresses, and was selling this ( to TV, cable etc) I’m sure they’d be interested in talking to me

      • Jyri Kettunen

        No, you’d use your own names and dresses. There’s a big difference.

      • Patrik Marek

        but if they look pretty much the same ?

        also in case you haven’t read all my posts ( and why should you?) .. I also mentioned several times that accusation doesn’t mean they are guilty and that they would lose at court

        but if you guys are telling me that Reiza had ABSOLUTELY no INTENTIONS to re-create Formula1 series using their own “copies” of the cars/liveries, then you are lying to yourselves

      • Jyri Kettunen

        Wel, it comes down to interpretation of copyright laws. Nobody has stolen F1’s very own rFactor physics and 3D-models and put them into a game… Also, as I said above the idea of having everything resembling F1 — without any official names. logos etc — copyrighted is a load of bull. Big corporations like the concept naturally.

      • Patrik Marek

        I wonder if your oppinion would be the same if it was you who owned the company and someone elses was using “your desings”

        I don’t wish them bad luck, despite what many here could think
        but yes I found it funny that they got into that situation, becasue Formula1 is quite known for being – what could be considered – overprotective of their assets

        if people think that’s right or wrong doens’t really matter

      • Jyri Kettunen

        The big corporation mentality: it doesn’t matter if people think it’s right or wrong.

      • http://www.entropyxel.com/ Tuttle

        You’re biting off more than you can chew Marek. Chill out and stop posting things you have absolutely no clue about.

        This community is being a mudpot…

      • Patrik Marek

        i’m actually very chill, so no problems there, and I’m not biting anything

        if you think I have no clue about licensing and stuff, sure, that’s your point of view, but perhaps unlike you, I have worked in games industry for 7 years, I have also worked on my own game for about a year, I have talked to many manufactures to license their cars and so on .. but yeah, I’m sure you have way more experience than I do

        which is why I find it very interesting that you would be fine with company selling game with unlicensed content … I’m NOT

      • http://www.entropyxel.com/ Tuttle

        I don’t care.

      • Patrik Marek

        haha! 😀

      • http://www.entropyxel.com/ Tuttle

        I don’t care about you working for seven years for NASA. You keep laughin at things you don’t know. Just don’t post all this rubbish to justify yourself. Just keep laughin.

      • Patrik Marek

        your comment implies I don’t know anything about game development and licensing and that’s simply not true

        if you can’t deal with it that your problem, not mine

      • http://www.entropyxel.com/ Tuttle

        No buddy. This is you being trapped in a egotrip. It’s not really about how good you are. It’s about you laughin about something YOU DO NOT KNOW. I’m saying you don’t know what’s going on on Reiza. You don’t know if they are right or not. You know nothing about that story as everyone else. Beside that you are here foaming discus with explanations, accusations and speculations. Mudpot.

      • Patrik Marek

        so that’s the problem? people can only say what they can prove these days? why is this thing called discussion then ?

        perhaps you should step out from your world a bit, because there were things out there, such as freedom of speech, stating opinions and so on

        also, I have never said anywhere that I KNOW that they are in problems becasue of XY , so don’t base all your negativity toward me on this, because it’s simply not true

        you can disagree with me, as I can disagree with you. But I’m not accusing you of anything, so stop doing the same 😉

    • http://www.entropyxel.com/ Tuttle

      You have some serious issue with karma man. Good luck.

      • Patrik Marek

        no, I have problem with people trying to get away from paying license for cars/liveries and sell those
        formula1 is notoriusly known for taking this very seriously, even free mods do get taken down so why is this so surprising when Reiza is actually making money ? ( and much bigger money then if this was just some payware mod)

      • Patrik Marek

        studios like EA take lot of criticism for their games, yet they pay immense money for licenses and nobody cares

        small team is “stealing” unlicensed content and its’ fine because they are small team, and sim racers like them .. great , at least I know what the sim racing scene is about

      • Jyri Kettunen

        How come the F1 honchos think that they own the rights to every virtual car that have similarities to their own? That’s pretty questionable interpretation of copyrights.

        Why should we care about how much money EA spends on their crappy games?

      • Patrik Marek

        See, and that’s exactly my point, if this was EA, people will be laughing here with me, some with even stronger comments such as “well deserved”

        But only because it happened to someone they like, they are sad

        What does that tell you about society ?
        And that’s exactly why I said what I did

      • http://www.entropyxel.com/ Tuttle

        Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta. 🙂

      • Jyri Kettunen

        So when have EA been in copyright trouble?

        Does it matter anything to you that this claim is a load of bull?

      • Patrik Marek

        so you’re saying that the reize formula cars look nothing like the F1 ? have no technical similarities? dont’ have same helmets as real F1 pilots

      • Jyri Kettunen

        First of all they are virtual, 😉

        Secondly this idea of having copyrights over anything that resembles F1 is load of bull, and won’t stand in court. But the honchos can do a lot of damage meanwhile.

      • anonymouse

        It stands in court when the ones suing are the like of FOM, which have a lot of money.

      • Guimengo

        Patrik, if it is indeed FOM, one can argue it isn’t the F-Reiza or F-Extreme that drive sales of the game. We will find out in the near future, if there are no changes to the game, then the claimant had no merit. If there were changes, we can compare with the current base at v.87 and come up with an unified conclusion.

      • Patrik Marek

        true, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. China is doing cheap ripoffs because they know they can get away with it, but that doesn’t make it right, does it ?

        and even if AMS goes back on steam with no changes, as you say – proving that claimant had no merit – that still doesn’t make this kind of thing right

        yes, they are small team and they can’t afford expensive licenses for certain contnent, but then they should do different content ,

        many people wanted Porsche in games, but this wasn’t possible due to EA holding the license, so some companies licensed RUF cars – which is a workaround but a proper one, because you get car that looks like Porsche, but it’s properly licensed ( the fact if Porsche is ok with Ruf using their design, which makes such licensing somewhat depending on Porsche would be another story )

        but if you remove porsche badge and still inclde the car .. that just shows me that they could care less about copyrights

        would I prefer if all cars in GTA5 were real life ones, sure I would. But would I prefer if Rockstar removed only badges and used real cars with no licesing paind .. NO! I wouldn’t like that move from them

      • Guimengo

        I would prefer the shape likeness to remain, and for painting to at least be remotely familiar. As it stands now, there is no generic car that is an accurate depiction of a real life counterpart. Often times the cars are inspired by real life but still designed to fit within the regulations of the desired sport.

        It is unethical to be making money on someone else’s work or brand, but there is also a line not to be crossed with what would be akin to online totalitarianism, a virtual community of fear. It is a digital representation but you have to also take into account, design and other improvements are only possible because there is something preceding it. Yes? Well, imagine the above complete extremes approach, being used into all aspects. A lot of currently established brands have grown thanks to borrowing and being inspired by existing ones.

        What you will end up having is a system with rapidly escalating costs that only benefit the middle parties that drive the litigation. You have been in the US for a while, you can appreciate how terrible the healthcare and insurance system is here, and how much of an impact it had through deliberate, mind boggling lawsuits that must be heard, because of how the court system works. What about the absurd patents system, where a company can license something that has existed in nature for hundreds of thousands of years, and be able to dictate worldwide production, and sue governments for not paying royalties… all completely legally acceptable?

        So it will would grow from some similarities to any sort of likeness. And from content that isn’t the main seller of a game, all the way to free mods. Imagine you being given a cease & desist by someone representing Porsche, Nissan or BMW, to all of your work and also be in litigation for having received $1 in donation?

        I thoroughly disapprove and dislike that. I don’t want it to reach that level with hobbies and past times. Let’s wait to learn more in the very near future, I hope.

      • Patrik Marek

        well true, everything has two sides of the story and the way you describe it is the other side of it. But as I said, that’s where you have to draw a line between inspiration and direct rip off , and yes, that line isn’t that easy to define

        I haven’t throughout checked AMS because I un-installed it few days/weeks ago, but lets say that if nothing else, the martini inspired liveries is definitely crossing the line ( in my book)

        as for mods and all that , yes I have to agree that even free mods are guilty of this, because they are using someone elses hard work for their benefits

        but there is a big big difference. I haven’t charged anyone a single dollar for that , and I also don’t allow donations and didn’t received any,
        so I think that does make a big difference, eventhough legally maybe not so much

        but Reiza is charging for their game, and they sold quite a few copies
        so even if I made money from my mods ( which I haven’t) we might be looking into something like $300 usd, compared to something like $100,000 that Reiza got .. and that way the “damage” is definitely different

      • Guimengo

        I still see your argument and where you are coming from. Now here is something, FOM doesn’t own the rights to the individual cars. Also they can only backtrack to somewhere in the 90s, maybe 96 if I am not mistaken, on a lot of the finer details. What they could possibly try to crack down on is a collection of material trying to emulate content which they have licensed.

        Usually we don’t see virtual bickery over material that is copyrighted but not actively in use (say, a game of it). We have seen the rights holder who has licensed content of the same medium as a modification, go through channels to extinguish them as they were often cited as being a competing product to the one officially licensed.

        But anyway, I can’t speak more because in this case I truly don’t know the details. I sometimes will chime in to address misinformation from the things I know, like you, in the day-to-day with a bunch of folks in the industry, but everything here is a mix of my stance, observations, some diminutive knowledge of law (thanks to 2 forced classes), and speculation :p.

      • Patrik Marek

        speculation is what fuels every discussion,
        if we only discussed about facts, there would be no discussion 🙂

      • http://www.entropyxel.com/ Tuttle

        Not really. Speculation, discussion and opinions are pretty much different things. Then there are accusasions like that;

        “nobody cares small team is “stealing” unlicensed content and its’ fine because they are small team”

      • cloudXXI

        It’s not about karma. It’s something else.

  • Krist Jan

    When a mod is converted all the sim community make a drama.But when ISI take Brianza (monza),…Raiza also take few tracks and cars, than nobady sims to care and evry one say oh poor small studio…….Dont misunderstand me i like all raiza, isi atc., content and i like also converted mods and track and i dont make a drama for a stolen, converted mod (like RD forum guys) coz on the other hand “small” studios also take licensee content….and like modders who create mod spent some time on their mods and dont want to be stolen, converted or whatever also people who make real tracks or cars dont want to have ripped their product whiteout permission or paying for it. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION DONT ATTACK ME 🙂

    • Patrik Marek

      I believe it’s called hypocrisy

      people are usually find with “not so legal things”, until it touches their interests

    • Guimengo

      One thing that would break my heart would be if we were to lose a track. I have learned a few things about Suzuka and its license, for example, and would hate to lose a very good rendition of one of my top 3 tracks.

      [/selfish]

  • anonymouse

    Oh the flame, the endless discussions, the DRAMA. What a time to be alive.

    We spend more time bitching on public boards than playing these games. Not that there’s something to be ashamed of. It’s glorious.

  • http://www.entropyxel.com/ Tuttle

    I appreciate you being honest on this and admitting your bias, because it was clear since the first post you don’t like Reiza, in fact u wouldn’t laugh for a similar problem affecting AC, for example, or your own mods. This is pretty typical, everybody has preferences and more or less selfish attitudes, point is if it’s good or not good to laugh at someone else problem and then starting some conjecture to feed the bias. I find that pretty sad if you ask me, and not so nice if you are part of the game industry…. but at least now you admit it and this is all we need to understand each other, instead trying to twist logic to escape our own actions and words. Sorry if I don’t reply to the rest of your post; I think it’s pretty much smoke I’m sick to read all around.

    • Patrik Marek

      I laugh at people that make it sound like its tragedy, but only because it happened to their favorite team,
      These same people would be laughing if this was someone they don’t like

      That’s what I find funny , not that someone has problem ( even though they should have known better)

  • Jyri Kettunen

    Quite convenient for you to claim (indirectly) that Reiza has not produced any original content…

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