Assetto Corsa – Nordschleife Announced

Kunos Simulazioni has announced that the Nürburgring Nordschleife is coming to Assetto Corsa.

Like the other tracks in Assetto Corsa, the Nordschleife will be laser-scanned, a novelty in sim racing titles.

The track will be part of the “Dream DLC” that will not only feature the Nordschleife but ten of the most-wanted cars chosen by the community.

The one month pre-order phase for the DLC pack will start soon, offering a 50% discount on the content pack. Assetto Corsa’s version of the Nordschleife is due to be released in September 2014.

 

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  • Eric S

    Oh yeah. Happy hollidays to the KS team and thank you very much!!!

  • wajdi nujeidat

    Announcing a DLC one year before and when the game is far from being complete is simply a poor decision from Kunos simulation!

    Give me first the complete game then ask me for more money!

    • Eric S

      Sorry wajdi. I cant speak for everyone but I will gladly help to fund the first ever laser scanned Nordschleife. Im sure many will agree. Incomplete title or not

      • Chris Wright

        Edit: Comment withdrawn. DLC pre order not to start until version 1.0 released. Thanks to Kunos for clarifying.

      • Eric S

        Yeah. Because all the current work done by Kunos didn’t cost them a dime. I cant believe I am even wasting my time here. You people are entitled to your opinions but you yourself said it best albeit tongue in cheek ” people have an ugly sense of entitlement these days”

      • Chris Wright

        Edit: Comment withdrawn. DLC pre order not to start until version 1.0 released. Thanks to Kunos for clarifying.

      • BackMarker

        Edit: Comment withdrawn. DLC pre order not to start until version 1.0 released. Thanks to Kunos for clarifying.

    • damys

      like ubisoft and EA ..

    • Arnaud dodo

      What’s so bad about planning the future?

      It’s the first time we are seeing this track being scanned in a simulator.

      All the contents for the 1.0 has been announced a while ago.

      This is a good news, I don’t know why people are complaining.

      • Chris Wright

        Edit: Comment withdrawn. DLC pre order not to start until version 1.0 released. Thanks to Kunos for clarifying.

      • Arnaud dodo

        They announced DLCs even before releasing the early access.
        (the DLC was SPA but they decided to include it in the 1.0 after all).

      • Chris Wright

        Edit: Comment withdrawn. DLC pre order not to start until version 1.0 released. Thanks to Kunos for clarifying.

    • Sesto Elemento

      If anything it makes one more inclined to invest into the game, knowing such a great track is coming.

  • Chris Wright

    Edit: Comment withdrawn. DLC pre order not to start until version 1.0 released. Thanks to Kunos for clarifying.

    • Andy Thompson

      Well said. Exciting news, wrong time.

    • Eric S

      This is something many thought would never come to fruition. I am pleased and have no issue with the announcement. I am no fanboy either. Props to KS for getting this done in a very difficult time for this iconic piece of motorsport. Merry Christmas and happy new year to all. Safe holliday. Im done here til 2014

  • Anonymous

    Wait… so pCARS doesn’t have laser scanned Nords, because it would be very expensive (or at least they say so), but AC does? lol

    • Anonymous

      You do realize that this will be a paid DLC, so you’ll be paying extra for the track.

      That makes the comparison with titles that include the track in their stock content a bit off.

      • Chris Wright

        Edit: Comment withdrawn. DLC pre order not to start until version 1.0 released. Thanks to Kunos for clarifying.

      • Anonymous

        Yes I do. If nothing else, SMS could have easily ask the community to pay for the Nordschleife laser scanning.

      • Christien Hoogveld

        Kunos is doing a fantastic job thus far with the “early access” of their software. I for one appreciated the way they gave the community an opportunity to vote for tracks. I hope that they bring plenty more content to this title in the future. Hobbies are expensive and as far as sim racing goes its on the much more affordable side IMO.

    • T0MMY3688

      pCARS is planning to launch with a larger car list and track list as well, laser scan for Nords will be too expensive for their plan and budget.

  • Raphael Smith

    Awesome! I can’t believe how whiney most sim racers are though. Kunos is a very small team and has to fund development somehow.

    • Chris Wright

      Edit: Comment withdrawn. DLC pre order not to start until version 1.0 released. Thanks to Kunos for clarifying.

      • Raphael Smith

        Sure some but we don’t know the sale numbers and Kunos devs have to eat and survive. They can’t use all the money for funding. Again Kunos is a tiny team and assetto corsa is still a small niche product compared to gt and forza

      • Chris Wright

        Edit: Comment withdrawn. DLC pre order not to start until version 1.0 released. Thanks to Kunos for clarifying.

    • Markus Ott

      No argument.
      If that would be an argument we end up in a situation where we are all investors who pay for games even before we even know anything about or seen anything about it just because they need to fund their development.
      But I am an user, and as an user I want to pay for finished and working products.

      • Raphael Smith

        Then don’t buy the dlc. No one is forcing you. I know enough about assetto corsa already to make that choice myself tho.

      • kr1nz

        Those words coming from a pCars fanboy sound even more funny.

      • Markus Ott

        Explain plz

      • kr1nz

        You say that you want to pay for a finished product yet you bought pCars and always defending it since day one.

      • Markus Ott

        There’s a difference if someone crowdfunds a game and let’s everyone take part in the development or if someone sells a product where you at best can give your opinion about but are nothing more than a consumer. Pretty easy, isn’t it? For the first one everyone has to make his decision if he wants to take the risk to invest in the early stages and then contributs to it, but for the second one I seriously dislike the behaviour to sell games in superearly development stages and begin to advertise DLCs before the base game is even released. This a development that will go further and further into the wrong direction unless users stop this trend.
        Just look up some arguments here, and you’ll find the reason why this is a dangerous development even for the game makers themselves.

      • Anonymous

        I for one am glad to know that I’ll finally see a laser scanned Nords. That’s the RIGHT direction.

      • T0MMY3688

        I agree with you on the part on selling DLC before the game is even complete but seeing it as a DLC that will only be on sale when the release is fine by me.

        Unless the full game and the DLC release on the same month which hints or give the impression that the track has been working in the background during early access for a really long time and they cut it out as a DLC.

      • Professional Operator

        indeed!

      • Professional Operator

        No need to vomit the same stuff over and over again when someone announce a laser scanned Nordschleife for God sake!
        You want it? Pay for it. Is that simple.

        You don’t? Your choice but do not complain because it’s not free or included in 1.0 version! Actually Assetto Corsa cost 23 bucks or something on Steam, it’s really cheap compared to other sims!

        Nordschleife licencing and laserscanning DO cost money!

      • Chris Wright

        Edit: Comment withdrawn. DLC pre order not to start until version 1.0 released. Thanks to Kunos for clarifying.

      • Professional Operator

        No you all missed the point you can’t expect they give you everything they have for 23 dollars / euro. Obviously a laser scanned Nordscleife is worth the money so I don’t see any problem if they call it DLC and they ask me more money for it.

        In the end it’s about the quality/cost ratio.
        Assetto Corsa is the best you can get and it cost much less than many overhyped sim / console games.

      • Chris Wright

        Edit: Comment withdrawn. DLC pre order not to start until version 1.0 released. Thanks to Kunos for clarifying.

      • Petros Dialektakis

        I’m sensing some double standards here.

        Why didn’t you question this when you payed Simbin for their great DTM Experience-Addon with its exclusive AI. And leaving other R3E-players in the dark, because the AI is only enabled for the DTM only. Why? Because the AI is still development, according to Simbin.
        And what do we know about it’s MP? Also in development, release unknown.

        Do you think R3E is a complete game, simply because you only play “offline”?
        Why are you complaining about one incomplete game, when this is happening with other games as well?

      • Chris Wright

        Well you will see that I have withdrawn the comments, due to a misunderstanding on my behalf about how the DLC was to be rolled out. You make some valid points about SimBin’s shortcomings, of course, but I’m still enjoying the heck out of RRE and DTM.

  • Anonymous

    I love AC and this is great news but… pre-order for DLC for 50% finished game… come on…

    EDIT: ok, Kunos clarified the situation by saying that the DLC won’t be sold before 1.0 – that’s OK with me. Cheers.

    • Rhys Gardiner

      Well, it is The Ring. Massive track, a license that is presumably very dear,, and laser-scanned to boot? I’m not surprised that sim racers will have to pay extra for such an expensive undertaking.

    • Shaddix

      Soon after the release of Assetto Corsa v.1.0 final, we will be opening
      our 1 month pre-order phase, providing you with a 50% saving on the
      final package – that’s right, 10 cars and the Nordschleife. ;)

      • Anonymous

        sounds good:) my initial impression was that the dlc will be sold before 1.0

      • Chris Wright

        Sadly I made the same error, as is painfully obvious from the edits on here. Oh well good to know I wasn’t the only one :-)

      • Mister Rogers

        10 cars and Norschleife. I wonder if any prototypes are included.

    • Sesto Elemento

      Made an account just to downvote your stupid post.
      1.You are free not to pre-order and pay full price.
      2.The DLC wouldn’t have been ready for v1.0 release anyways, it’s not like EA where they cut stuff from the game and sell it like DLC. They have to first finish the game and THEN work on the DLC.
      3.They are just happy to announce a first in simracing. For a team that small it means something.

      • Eric S

        Well said. Thumbs up sir : )

      • Anonymous

        I’m glad that you’ve made an account to take part in the discussion – it’s always good to exchange ideas and negativity isn’t necessary:)

  • Anonymous

    Throwing money at the screen…..

  • Dinca Andrei

    Great news!!!

  • Anonymous

    Amazing! Take my money, take my time! Finally! What a xmas gift to read these news!

  • Fernando Capel

    Logically’ll buy the DLC when it’s time, but first, the base game needs to be delivered. The simplest of everything would make the happiness of all would be the IA. I hope it does not take an eternity for this to occur.

    • Anonymous

      Correct, we thought it was obvious but we clarified on our website. The DLC pre-order will start after the release of the final 1.0 version of Assetto Corsa.

      • Chris Wright

        Thanks for clarifying that. I have edited my comments accordingly.

      • Anonymous

        Thank you for pointing out, as it made us realize that the matter wasn’t clear enough. Sorry, language barriers.

      • Chris Wright

        No totally my fault Aristotelis. My wife will no doubt cite other senior moments when I tell her about this :-) Congratulations to you all on a magnificent, game changing sim and my very best wishes to you for Christmas and a very exciting 2014.

    • Chris Wright

      Edit: Comment withdrawn. DLC pre order not to start until version 1.0 released. Thanks to Kunos for clarifying.

      • Petros Dialektakis

        I understand your doubt Chris! And therefor you’ve already thrown all your money to Simbin for their “complete” game R3E and it’s great DTM Experience, haven’t you?

      • Chris Wright

        :-)

  • Eliseo

    For all the people whining there´s nobody forcing you to buy nothing, just that if you want to wait to see the finished product you will have to pay more then, is simple, take the “””risk””” and pre order at a cheaper price or wait and pay more later.

  • Paul Thompson

    So the Nordschleife is due to be released around September 2014, and it will be apart of some paid content for download. To be 100% honest I don’t have any problem with that at all. That’s some 9 months away, and if you think how far this amazing sim has come in the last few months, well I can assure you all that A.I and multiplayer will be along LONG before this track is released.

    It’s interesting reading some of the comments about the sim being 50% complete as I didn’t realize it had actually been released yet ? I thought I had bought into a pre-release program ? and a pretty amazing one at that.

    If you think back, iRacing was released in the summer of 2008 and look how far that has come in 5 years of development and work. If you look at it like that, and the fact that AC hasn’t actually been released yet, I honestly expect that one 1/2 of the world will be playing iRacing and the other 1/2 will be playing A/C. Call me a fan boy of all things European, but I know which one I will be playing.

    • Chris Wright

      Edit: Comment withdrawn. DLC pre order not to start until version 1.0 released. Thanks to Kunos for clarifying.

      • Professional Operator

        To be fair, iRacing ask you to pay quite a lot of money for RENTING.

        With Assetto Corsa you buy something and it’s your forever. Do not even compare their business models. Just don’t.

      • Chris Wright

        You obviously don’t read my posts on here much, because I probably have been the biggest critic of iRacing’s pricing model.

      • Juan Diego Baez

        chris i dont understand what is the problem with you. Buy it now for 50% or never buy the track!.
        I am very happy to have this awesome track with laser technology in the racing sim that i like the most.

      • Professional Operator

        dude your trying so hard to make it sound like Kunos are doing something wrong because they called Nordschleife DLC and announced now.

      • Anonymous

        Maybe you should go back to praising F1 2013, and let Kunos finish Assetto corsa.

      • Chris Wright

        Oh how kind of you :-) I’m still enjoying it from time to time actually. The in-race save gives it some longevity. Problem is I’m too busy with stuff that followed it, namely AC, DTM and, as a result of buying DTM, RRE. Oh, and I’ve also fired up GTR2 again.

      • Sesto Elemento

        You can’t pay for the DLC right now, only after they release v1.0 of the game.

        “Soon after the release of Assetto Corsa v.1.0 final, we will be opening our 1 month pre-order phase, providing you with a 50% saving on the final package”

  • Guy Moulton

    LOL. no one knows how the online will be. No one knows how the AI will be. No one knows how the game will run with other cars on track but Kunos has the cajones to sell DLC. That takes big cajones. Nords is the perfect track for AC though- it is a great track to hotlap and a laser scanned version is a HUGE undertaking that will be appreciated by everyone.

    • Petros Dialektakis

      You’re free to wait till the game and the DLC is finished. Nobody is forcing you to buy.

    • Michael Hornbuckle

      ..

      • Realkman666

        What isn’t true in what he says?

  • Anonymous

    This sounds great. But I’d like the larger version Nords, that includes the GP track! And the ability to run 50+ cars! I might buy AC after the new year. When I can afford it. It seems to be coming along. Not really bothered by the little savings for pre-buy, As much as the doubts of a useful item being delivered in the end. rFactor2 still doesn’t work, for me. So my investment is a waste (losing interest) until it is finally made playable. And I have to return things to the store all the time. That weren’t as advertised, or were just plain junk. “Let the buyer beware!”

    • Kev

      rFactor 2 is unplayable? Please explain.

      • Anonymous

        I’ve explained it many time before. Both here and on ISI forums. Once I go onto the track. The 3D graphics get very jerky. It’s been that way for at least a year. No amount of reinstalls, Graphic graphic driver changes etc. help. I even upgraded my GPU and monitors, since this started. Made no difference. Others have reported the same condition. Some times its just in the reflections. But with me it’s the track. Only game with this problem. pCars works with 40+ cars, high settings.

      • Anonymous

        Could it be your CPU rather than the video card? Or any other component on your motherboard. All could be the bottleneck if they’re older.

      • Chege

        Same problem here. I found myself staying away from rfactor 2. I bought it 2 years ago (when it came out) and had fun at start, but then it became hardware heavy and I stop playing it. I was a big fun of rfactor 1 and based on that purchased rf2. I upgraded my computer recently with Geforce GTX760 and got back into driving. I purchased AC, DTM -e, and fired rf2 again. I find myself enjoying AC and DTM, but not rf2.

        I have couple issues with rf2. Firstly setting up G-27. I followed instructions from the forums, but still have this issue when turning. As I start to turn, the tires start squealing and cars stars to spin… I tried to change steering range and rotation range in Logitech profiler but for some reason experienced no change.

        Second issues is with graphics. AC looks beautiful and DTM, but rfactor tracks look whitewash, the colours are so whitish,… For example the road surface on Malaysia is this blend of white and blue…

        I am not trying to bash rf2, but based on my own experience with a lot of fiddling and frustrated outcome, I stopped playing it.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks for your concern. No, I have an upper end computer. That’s why I mentioned it runs pCars with 40, even 50+ AI. If I overclock the CPU. I have no idea. What causes it. Just in this one game. So it must be an over looked bug in rFactor2.

      • Gulyás Tamás

        Playable but BIG disappointment to me too …
        Practically you got a rF1 after 8-9 years …

    • Realkman666

      They’re making the GP, so they’d better link them up unlike Forza.

  • Anonymous

    So, help me understand this correctly please. The DLC is just being announced now, but won’t be sold until after 1.0 is completed, right? If this is the case, why the hell is everyone acting so offended? There’s nothing wrong with that!

    • What

      They all expected 10 Porsches and the Nordschleife to be released today for free, I’m guessing.

      • gt3rsr

        Yeah, and I am offended by not getting that!!! Shame on you, Kunos, shame on you!!! ლ(ಠ_ಠლ)

    • Adrian Herrera

      We live in an instant-gratification society. 10 months is like 10 years for some people..

    • Anonymous

      Because the initial impression was that the DLC will be sold before the game has been even finished. If you’re following the game industry you probably know, that the DLC stuff is slowly ruining the game experience. First “game pass” to play multiplayer, now in FM5 you can buy cars for real money and the game economics almost force you to do this (it’s about to be changed after response from the community).

      Also many games are released with content cut out, which is than released as DLC.

      Now, don’t be shocked that some of us are quite allergic for the “DLC” term. I fully understand that Kunos needs founding, I love Nord, I love AC and I want to be addopted by Stephano. But plz, finnish the game first, than allow pre-oreder the DLC (by the way, I think this is first pre-order for DLC ever). Cheers.

      • Deatroy

        They stated it out: First we finish Version 1.0
        Then some short time will pass, they open 1 month 50% discount on dlc – we all buy it and are happy :D

  • gt3rsr

    2014: Social life ruined. And it has not even begun!

  • Chris Wright

    Well I had just woken up pretty early for a Christmas Eve to read the announcement and I guess I was still a little asleep and missed the detail in the AC blog that mattered most – the DLC pre order will not start until version 1.0 is released. All earlier comments are therefore now irrelevant and have been edited accordingly. Sincere apologies. Instead, I will reflect on the very welcome addition that is a laser scanned Nordschleife. It’s one of those holy grails of simming and it’s nice to have a road map that suggests next fall will be an incredible time for this hobby.

    I’m still hoping Prototype C for rFactor gets a Christmas launch though :-)

    • Anonymous

      So now you can delete your pointless panic post.

      • Chris Wright

        A little harsh maybe, but there it is I made a mistake, it happens. A sure sign that senility is rearing its head :-)) All posts edited. Merry Christmas.

      • Joe Grover

        Oops. LOL… The perils of being extremely vocal. Not that it matters but my respect for you has grown a bit based on how you’ve handled your retraction.

      • Chris Wright

        Well thanks Joe, I appreciate it. Normally I can scan read really well, but it’s probably a sign I’m getting older. Oh well Merry Christmas to you.

  • gt3rsr

    Well, honestly, we all expected this. And I am absolutely contented with Kunos’ price / DLC politics. I find AC very cheap compared with other titles. For example rFactor 2’s ‘lifetime’ license costs 85 USD. Not mentioning iRacing… I’ll gladly pay a reasonable price for high quality DLCs. This is no Simbin selling the same stuff all over and over again.

  • Michael Hornbuckle

    ..

    • Anonymous

      Agree wholeheartedly.

    • Anonymous

      How is it not a novelty? Which other sim racing title has a laser-scanned Nordschleife? I don’t know of one.

      • Anonymous

        “Novelty” used in this context could have a somewhat negative connotation in American English. It would be like saying “laser scanned, an interesting but unimportant or irrelevant feature in sim racing titles.” I know that’s not how the word is defined, but it’s culturally percieved that way, at least where I’m from.

        However, I suppose the literal definition is applicable, and realizing this, I can see I can’t take everything at face value on websites with international fanbases; lesson learned :)

        Now I’m curious, where are you from Montoya?

      • Anonymous

        I’m from Germany.

        I really just meant to say it was a “first time thing”, nothing tongue in cheek implied :)

      • Michael Hornbuckle

        ..

      • Anonymous

        I’m American. I understood what you meant. Negativity never entered my mind. Until others brought it up. Unfortunately, American Pop culture is always redefining words. It’s very hard to keep up.

      • Andrew

        The word “novelty” often implies that something is frivolous or gimmicky (for instance a novelty song). In this case I believe it was used to simply mean new.

      • Hurdy Hurdy

        rFactor Pro, lol

    • Anonymous

      Well while I won’t call laser scanning a novelty practice it’s ultimate relevance would be to a driver training to run a race on that track in RL. In the virtual world for the typical sim racer it is really only relevant in concept where non laser scanned tracks fare just as well overall. As for the fact these tracks are being scanned and paid for by the Sim Race Communities(Yes You and I)ie; demand and revenue the actual track owners may benefit greatly by having this data in an engineering sense as for the ongoing designs, locations, elevations, surface wear, and so on should purchase the scan data for reference and blue printing and sell or license the data to other developers as time goes by. Who’s to say that the developers creating tracks based on scans own any of the data they are using anyway?

  • Anonymous

    In my mind a laser scanned Nordschleife is still a pipe-dream. I kinda don’t believe it still, do they really mean it? I knew a lot of sims love to coin the phrase “laser scanned” in the product blurb when they really mean GPS scanned and approximations from photographs. But actual, serious, road surface laser point bump scanning?!

    • Marcel

      All tracks in Assetto Corsa are laserscanned so of course the Nordschleife too

  • Anonymous

    Awesome news. I can’t wait.

    ….I am little anxious to see how the price structure of DLC’s will be for AC. Only comparison we have is iRacing’s $14.95/$11.95 per track……..

    Don’t want to be that guy to start flame war because DLC for PC is such sensitive topic around here and considering the console DLC route developers are going I really hope AC doesn’t start with some outrageous cost.

    • Chris Wright

      I guess the laser scanning the Nordschleife is expensive, but we’ll have to wait and see. I had forgotten that ISI has actually already done it – see http://www.rfactor-pro.com/Services.aspx – I wonder if that will now magically appear in rF2 :-)

      • Anonymous

        I hope so :)

        I am bit afraid about price. Offering 50% off for pre-order suggests bit of steep price to begin with.

      • Nick1

        Have to wonder about the size in terms of data. I’d assume next up is Le Mans, Bathurst, Laguna Seca.

        Clearly Kunos is going after ISI, and is doing a bang up job of it too.

      • TouringProSeries.com

        ‘Germany’ (Nurb GP) is already listed on their site as a track planned for 1.0 release.

      • David Dominguez

        That’s not ISI (check contact information)

      • Chris Wright

        Presumably some relationship though?

    • Michael Hornbuckle

      ..

  • Kendra Jacobs

    Congrats Kunos you got the most famous popular grandest race car license Ferrari and the nordschleife is the track to get.

    Kunos really pulled out 2 aces with Ferrari and the Nordschleife

    just hope all the DLCs dont add up too much over the years. Hope it doesnt add up to over $100 including $40 game purchase unless they seriously continuosly improve all aspects of the engine and also build and entire online system like iracing, then i wont mind paying more.

    • Chris Wright

      Have you seen the cost of flight sim add ons lately?: or for that matter how much iRacing adds up to be? I’d be happy to spend at least as much as the base game costs.

      • Anonymous

        Let’s really not go there with FS add-on costs. While I consider myself a supporter of developers making money to remain happy and solvent I don’t want affordability to be compromised. To me that takes the fun out of affordable entertainment. As for what Kendra says for an overall cost of Assetto with all DLC that is too vague of a statement. It all depends on amount of content being added and what the consumer sees as a value priced item.
        My philosophy has always been sell for less(or fair and reasonable prices) and blow the ears off the competition with volume.

      • Anonymous

        “I’ll sell at a loss but make it up in volume!”

      • Kendra Jacobs

        Ya if they continously update the core foundations of the engine like iracing do then i dont mind paying more because you are constantly getting an updated new game.

    • F1Racer

      WB Kendra.

      Yeah, it’s going to be quite the wait before we (well I) can get frustrated trying to successfully get that F40 around the Ring. The penalty system will be going nuts :) But racing the 599XX should be quite the experience.

      How long have sim-racers longed for a laser-scanned Nords? Well it’s finally going to happen.

      Good thing with the DLC is that it’s content is cars picked by the majority of AC owners from the polls.

  • Harry Tulloch

    how the hell do u laser-scan Nordschleife you better get there at 6am because you will be there all day HAHA

    • Realkman666

      You can pay a fee to reserve it for a day for special events. That’s how they test production cars.

      • Sesto Elemento

        That seems expensive.

    • Anonymous

      There is some companies that scanned the nordschleife, you could obtain their data. But what i have seen Kunos uses a car, that drives over the track collecting all the data.
      So no need to use static devices and set thos up every few 100 meters.
      Drive the track 2, 3 times at a slow pace and there should be enough for a proper scan.

    • Hurdy Hurdy

      You stick your camera on the top of a Mclaren P1 and you’ll be done in under 7 minutes, lol. Some of the imagery captured may be a little blurry though, lol.

    • Alan Dallas

      Why do you say that? Tourist drive isn’t open all week. Generally only Sat-Sun.

  • Gulyás Tamás

    Pre-order for something which is releasing in September 2014 ???????

    • Anonymous

      simple, dont like it, then dont purchase it.. your whining under every news is really boring…

    • Hurdy Hurdy

      Have you never pre-ordered DVD’s? I regularly pre-order TV boxsets months in advance of actual release,

      Anyhow, pre-order for the Dream DLC doesn’t start until the game has seen a full v1.0 release.

      This excerpt taken from their announcement earlier today:-

      Soon after the release of Assetto Corsa v.1.0 final, we will be opening our 1 month pre-order phase, providing you with a 50% saving on the final package – that’s right, 10 cars and the Nordschleife.

  • Anonymous

    That’s some spectacular news.

    When I think about it, the nords version we all play in rf1/gtr is 6 years old now and certainly doesn’t have 100% correct apexes and elevation, let alone bumps. Nice.

    • gt3rsr

      The GTR Evo version is still great though, IMHO.

  • Jordan Meagher

    Kunos has to laser scan the nords because they could never manage to hand craft such a track or any track for that matter.

    • Anonymous

      Then apparently you never have played netKar. Laser scanning is something we have dreamt of this far in a game that’s not a subscription model, and this track will be here for us for the first time with such detail. The accuracy is beyond belief with this technology and if you don’t think so, take Monza and tell me it’s not more eventful and alive than ever before.

    • NKCookieMonster

      Of all the stupid things I’ve ever read on this site, that’s got to be somewhere near the top.

    • Justin Schmidt

      they have to hand craft the 3d model over the point cloud data. it’s more like much,much, more detailed reference material.

  • Justin Schmidt

    cant wait for the ring. have probably done at least 1000 laps on the real thing since 05. thanks for doing my home track kunos. you shall be paid good for it.
    laserscanning is the way to go in my view. i did a trackday at monza this summer and the ac version is the one where i have to say this is right. track surface can be done reasonably good without scanning but it’s the subtle details that matter. just one good example is the armco barrier. its perfectly level in other versions but in ac it has many undulations because of age and many small parts being replaced. detail is everything.

    • Chris Wright

      Fascinating to get a first hand account of these things.

      • Justin Schmidt

        to be honest, i don’t rate my view on monza that high. it was 6 months ago since i was driving there. memory does fade massively if one tries to remember subtle details of such a big track. nords is easier because im there at least once a month from spring to fall. with the laser scan i dont worry about the accuracy of the road and surroundings in the 3d modeling. thats kind of a given having seen their work on the other tracks. it’s that being in the woods feeling that one has driving around the ring. that driving fast feeling is there in other versions but the nature feeling? not there. was it there testing monza in ac? yes it was.

  • Anonymous

    Kunos take my bank account now!!!!!. My gosh, this is what I call good news.

  • http://dj0100.com/ 0100

    Wow great news!!!

  • GamerMuscle

    Seems like kunos have stepped in and made up for the lack of a gtr3 game.

    I hope they find a way to do dlc that does not fragment online users be that some sort of open access with limited graphics/features or a cheap price.

    Thing is for sim heads they would easily pay £30-45 for it, but casuals and majority of ac users would probably only pay £8-12 for it.

    If kunos could monitise car skins or other aspects using steam workshop I think they could maybe net more money than dlc/exspantions without splitting up multiplayer. Dependent on user numbers.

    Its a hard one, people that are into driving sims see the value in ac but most users are not aware of why ac’s physics stand out , or why laser scanning adds value , or why you would want a details in the cockpit.

    • Anonymous

      Hmmm Flo has been handing out a lot of “Name Your Price” tools.

    • Sesto Elemento

      Limited graphics Nords is a terrible idea. The fragmentation will not come from the DLC, but from the mods.
      BUT i’m sure the vast majority will continue to play vanilla content and keep the MP alive.

      • GamerMuscle

        Ahh terable idea because you said so with no reason and then assumed what is meant by limited graphics/fetures..

        Also good download system for severs and there is no need for mods to fragment online.

      • Sesto Elemento

        It’s because this already was discussed to death on the WMD forums. No. You want that track so much, you pay for it. It’s simple and it works for most of the games out there. Look at how fragmented iRacing is and it’s doing fine.

        1 track isn’t gonna fragment the game more than 30 mods. Download system or not.

        There is good choice of content in v1.0, most will play with that. This is not rfactor where you only have a handful imaginary cars and tracks.

        Be sure to remember this comment when they release it, there won’t be any dumbed down version of Nords for free.

      • GamerMuscle

        You missed the point of the op

        i racing is also not particularly popular, luckily they charge allot for sub and content so can exist with a comparitively small user base.

        Kunos are obvouly in a position to decide what they do as there model is not established so it will be interesting to see what happens.

        As i said I’m happy to pay good price for nods because it represents good value to me ,I’m obviously not all gamers that bought ac though.

      • Sesto Elemento

        Well it’s Nords plus 10 awesome cars, and i don’t think they are going to ask more than 10€ for it(so 5€ for preorder). In the simracing world this is great value for everyone.

      • GamerMuscle

        Well if its only £5-8 then that’s selling it for cheap which I said in op was obvoulsy an option that would lend itself to most users buying it.

        Clearly you have kunos fans that would be happy to pay far more , that’s one reason as to why I think primeum cosmetic content such as car skins might make good money.

        Personly as an ac and sim fan I’d probably pay up to 20 for it.

      • Christien Hoogveld

        iRacing isn’t popular?!!? So the 1k-3k people on the sim at any given time is a small user base?

    • Chris Wright

      You raise some excellent points there.

  • Anonymous

    That is the best news for any sim racer in years. Imagine AC cars with AC phisics on laserscand NORDSCHLIFE! It is worth more than all other tracks together! I would preorder today and for the price of full game! I started the thread on AC forum and the wish come true! :)

    http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/nordschleife.2385/page-7#post-34318

    Ps. No comment on complaining, you must be a childe, not to see what this announcement means!!

    sorry for bad english!

  • kosmo1982

    wished they seperated it from this 10 cars and make two DLCs. Now if you want nordschleife youre forced to buy also 10 cars which you may not want

    • Hurdy Hurdy

      This is a valid point.

      Maybe Kunos could offer it as a Dream DLC (discounted for buying full pack) and also make the track and each car available separately, each at full price (so you would buy just what you wanted/require like you do on iRacing) an maybe offer a small discount if buying 3 or 4 together.

      Just an idea so that you’re not forcing folks in to buying content they might not really want/need.

      • GamerMuscle

        You want to make sure as many of the users have the same content as possible , at a guess I’d think kunos will price and package this as an exspantion/dlc that just about all users would buy.

        By putting more in it you are making more people buy it for what they do want , similar phycology to selling bundles , at certain price points even if its content the user doesn’t want it still adds value and gets them to pay more than they would for just a single thing.

        Allot of the time with software its can be a bigger challenge to get a person to take there wallet out in the first place regardless of the price.

  • http://www.bsimracing.com/ Wim

    Its news… Its good news actually… and yet … the bitching goes on. If they (Kunos) ever stop caring about us, and just go for the money, it would be the community´s own darn fault. Kunos Simulazioni have been respecting the community from day one, within the limits of possibility. And it took a while before the constant nagging started, but it seems that’s changing. Its amazing when you read the comments of 2013… iRacing, RRE, rFactor2, and now Assetto Corsa..according to a vast amount of people in this community al titles suck, the companies are doing everything wrong, its all to expensive… and so on. THINK! this was the year of plenty for simracers, and yet it has also been the year where half the community thinks it knows better… It has almost become a fashion to bitch about something. sad that is, very sad.

    • Bekim Dine

      Sadly this is normal “customer” behaviour. I work in customer service and customers just like to complain about anything and everything. I really hope Kunos keep their heads up during all this negativity. For something that was supposed to be taken as the best news, they are facing people complaining that they have to pay for it. This is a laser scanned nords for gods sake from an 11 man team!! They ask us what we want for 2014, they give it to us, then people complain that they have to pay and wait. Children. It’s pathetic. I hope Kunos don’t sell out and keep doing what they’re doing

      • GamerMuscle

        I’d like to complain that you are saying I would complain.

    • Chris Wright

      I would obviously wholeheartedly agree with you, though wouldn’t it also be fair and balanced to observe that the community isn’t quite as bad as you say, in that lots of us have shown considerable faith and invested quite a lot of money in three as yet to be completed titles, four if you count RRE. Patience is a pre-requisite in this hobby today and, unfortunately, that’s an increasingly scarce quality.

      Expectations are high, probably unrealistically so. It’s the same in any business these days. Just the way it is in an age of instant results and an entitlement culture. I’m pretty sure developers accept those are the rather regrettable rules of the game.

      • Troels Hadberg

        Agree. It’s obviously not simmers that was brought to this shameful world somewhere long before the 80’s that is complaining. We know where it all startet and what time of bliss for simracing it actually is. I’m just glad I’m not too young to afford a simrig and not too old to experience all this.
        A true let down would be if Kunos got depressed by all this wining and quit their dayjob (our daydream).

      • Chris Wright

        Any sensible developer will already have dialed in that there are going to be unjustified criticisms and ridiculous expectancies. I’m sure KS will be pleased by the unprecedented overall reaction to AC.

      • http://www.bsimracing.com/ Wim

        fair enough, its not all bad Chris.. that why i stated ” according to a vast amount of people” but still, negativity ruled in comment land this year.

      • Chris Wright

        Well human nature dictates that bouquets are always outnumbered by brickbats. Wading through it all, however, I still think this is the healthiest time for our hobby, probably ever.

    • GamerMuscle

      I think only a few people are negative , I think some comments read more negative than they are and in the end most people would love to play on a laser Nord’s and be happy to pay for that. So long as its not an obsurd price.

      Given the price of ac and that the game is on steam then I think it will probably be sold quite cheap.

    • Anonymous

      Not sure what you are trying to get on with but at the end of the day Kunos team is there to make living just like any developer, it is their first priority and tbh the most important priority. They have made fantastic product so far and whether that product suits everyone needs is not up to them to decide.
      I think its pointless to talk about it right now and the only think that will either swing the community to or from AC is the cost of DLC’s.

      • Michael Hornbuckle

        ..

    • Anonymous

      these idiots are just extremely loud minorities, sadly it’s normal. it’s like the westboro baptist church – only a few, but ruining it for everyone else wherever they appear.

      i have learned to ignore these people, and the companies would do the best to ignore them too.

  • Adrian Herrera

    The day has come when we finally get a promise of getting the holly grail of sim-racing.. this is a great day that will go down in history.

    I think those who “complain” are kids that have been spoiled by today’s amazing technology.. seems some people want to have everything RIGHT NOW and for free. Well you know what? Some of us have been playing in our computers since the days of Indycar Racing by Papyrus and Grand Prix by Microprose, and let me tell you; things have gone way too fast to get to where we are.

    The mighty mighty RING is finally going to be laser-scanned for us to enjoy. That is nothing but GOOD FREAKING NEWS.

    Cheers my virtual racing friends!!!

  • Racing jason

    This is just a great xmas news! Nordschleife for AC…what more can u ask for? Most challenging track on the planet.
    10 community chosen cars…equally amazing!
    To all you complaining kids: you need to see kunos offers additional content you can choose or not. They spend extra time to offer us more fun. They are NOT putting any previously promised content in a DLC.
    So this offer is nothing but fair.

  • Justin Schmidt

    i just thought about a good license. japanese super formula. i don’t know their 2013 suzuka times but i know they were fast enough to qualify for the 2012 f1 grand prix so probably this year too. the general consensus is that f1 will be slower next year. so here is a good chance to get the quickest current open wheelers for a probably reasonable license fee.

    just wanted to throw this thought out there.

    • Deatroy

      2014 F1 cars have more PS than expected.
      Turbo + ERS and they will be way faster on the straight as now. The aero part got some restrictions more, but i am sure Red Bull got good ideas :)

    • Anonymous

      The problem with F1 cars is that Codemasters may be a problem as they license the whole field. In saying that, rF2 got a Marussia so I suppose it isn’t an exclusive license. Still, AC already has a Ferrari license so maybe it is possible to get a Ferrari F1 car.

      Personally, it makes little difference to me. I like old F1 cars, but for me the new ones are just too fast. I struggle to enjoy driving them, basically because I can’t drive them on the limit. I also think that sim racers are disadvantaged when it comes to F1 cars, because ultra fast reaction times are needed (more so than any other car) and sim racers have to deal with less information (most only have wheel force feedback, no motion etc.) and sometimes input lag and possibly framerate issues.

      But everyone has their own tastes so I won’t object to F1 cars being put in because I know others will want them.

    • Anonymous

      Sounds like a good DLC by itself, call it the Rising Sun expansion pack; include tracks like Suzuka, Tuskuba, Motegi, and cars like Formula Nippon (Yep, that fantastic rF mod) NSX, GTR, LFA, 787b, etc. I would buy that faster than you could say banzai.

  • Anonymous

    WOW!

  • Lemming77

    This is awesome news, and I’ll take ten!

    But, can someone remind me what the plan is with DLC packs? As I’ve forgotten. Did Pre-ordering AC get us anything also?

    • DrDeathO5

      yep… you’ll get the first DLC pack with Spa included and probably the Merc GT3 if i remember correctly

  • DrDeathO5

    Funny that people seem to forget that maybe 1 year ago or something there was already a track preview picture with the Ring in AC.
    They probably were working on a license long before they put up the polls about cars and tracks….
    In every sim there are popularity polls about tracks and racing series and i’m sure the Kunos team did their homework so long before the poll was announced it was pretty clear what the outcome would be.

    I applaud for Kunos that they are actually building a laser scanned version of the Green Hell but i hope that other sims will follow and also start working on one of the
    most iconic tracks in existence today cause the Nordschliefe deserves to
    be in every sim.

    • Michael Hornbuckle

      ..

  • Kev

    I have a hard time paying for mods without a demo. Will there be one?

    • Michael Hornbuckle

      edit..post retracted

      • Lemming77

        GTR Evolution, STCC The Game 1 and Race On? :P

        Either way, I’m not sure what this talk about ‘mods’ is.

      • Michael Hornbuckle

        ..

      • Guy Moulton

        Plus the Power pack (or whatever it was called), the Retro pack and wasn’t there another one too? The only thing that gives me hope that AC will actually be moddable is that thee is a precedent with Simbin games. Modding directly competes with the selling of official content and makes me doubt AC will be moddable if they sell DLC as part of the financial model. A Ferrari license ain’t cheap! If modders make a Ferrari and AC sells a Ferrari DLC, I wonder how that will work. That said, Simbin set the bar on this so maybe AC will make it happen.

      • Michael Hornbuckle

        Edit…you want the quote from Marco, find it yourself

      • T0MMY3688

        if AC release a Ferrari F50 as a paid DLC and a modder made one for free, I’ll probably end up buying it since knowing it coming from the developer, it will be much more accurate.

      • Realkman666

        How bout a demo for the game, “smart” Alec?

      • Michael Hornbuckle

        edit

      • Realkman666

        Instead of typing so much to correct yourself, just get it right the first time. ;)

      • Deatroy

        How about not being smartass and at the same time writing so much crap.
        Demo for an DLC – never saw one like Michael said. Now correct yourself.

      • Realkman666

        Wow, another one who can’t read. Enjoy your delusional world, losers.

      • F1Racer

        Mmmm…….

      • Michael Hornbuckle

        edit…blah blah blah

      • Realkman666

        I don’t have time to read all that, I kinda have a life, but I’m glad that you care so much. Happy holidays to you too, cowboy.

      • Michael Hornbuckle

        ..

      • Realkman666

        Thanks. Finally, some positivity.

      • F1Racer

        Don’t worry Michael I’m keeping an eye on this convo. I was hoping to not have to step in and I thought my ‘Mmmm’ comment would be enough to let you guys know I was watching.

        Yes, personal insults are a no-no and if there’s any more of it then I`ll reluctantly take the appropriate actions.
        On that subject Michael, may I remind you of this line which was typed by someone not a million miles away.
        ” I also say shame on your parents for raising a clueless, spoiled, entitled individual that lives in a dream world with no idea of how the real world operates.”

      • Michael Hornbuckle

        That line wasn’t a personal insult, that was stating a fact but whatever. If you don’t mind a guy that doesn’t own a game trolling every single post about that game multiple times there is nothing I can do about it. I guess I can’t blame him for being mad when during prime time there was exactly 25 more people playing his game of choice online than were playing multiplayer on AC.

        I will continue to read this site but will refrain from posting so that you will not have to reluctantly take appropriate actions.

      • F1Racer

        Michael, that wasn’t a threat to you mate :)
        I was just pointing out that even though you are right that personal attacks aren’t allowed, that you weren’t totally immune on that occasion.

        I do mind trolls and if there’s any more of it I will act, I promise. Just don’t feed them.
        You don’t need to stop posting either. I think you’re a valuable member.

      • Michael Hornbuckle

        ..

      • Anonymous

        Wow you must be the Chief Editor to type the word edit and get 8 likes for it. Hmmm that’s the stuff the NY times is made of.

  • Chege

    Hi gents, please allow me a small rant.

    It seems that some guys here jump straight away on whoever raises concerns in regards to this additional content being announced as a paid DLC. Now, I can understand that some comments are not proper and there are all sorts of assumptions, and that some people’s enthusiasm boils over into renting.. I am guilty too ;)

    I have been around this simcommunity for a while now.

    As I was growing up, I started with formula 1 games, Geoff Crammond,.. and the frustration that followed up with crash to desktop issues with these games. Especially the GP4. Frustration of having proper hardware to catch up with gaming industry. Going to consoles as trying to stop upgrading computer on yearly basis. Fruitless.

    Then I came across rfactor. The game was a breath of fresh air. No CTD’s. I started downloading mods, community was developing, new tracks by lonely and others were beautiful for that time. Announcement of Cart Factor, kept me going back all the time to track its progress and download and play other mods. Number of talented guys were learning modelling, physics of ISI engine, and were coming out with news and updates on tracks and mods. I myself downloaded some of 3d modelling tools and gave it a go. Didn’t went far though ;)

    It was great to be around the community that was thriving. There was a lot of free staff going around. A lot of illegal staff as well, I have to admit. But we were immersed and people were friendly and helping each other.

    As life moves on and we get older, I did notice that more capable guys started to disappear from the forums and community. Also came this talk of licence issues, then work being done by only few guys and how they should be paid, etc.. I can understand that our community was maturing and that things were being affected by money and time. The talented guys, wanted to get recognition,… They wanted also to be rewarded for all the effort and time that they put in. They were getting older, and I can only speculate, probably with new conditions, wife, kids, there was no way for them to find time and explanation for their love of modding. They needed reward. Now this is very natural. The community started to split over this issue.

    I believe that world that we live in, with its conditions on our daily life affected this. The issue over paying for mods started to split community. It was never the same. The evolution of community and this profit motive, left bitter taste on everyone’s mouth. There were accusations, bitterness, no appreciations,.. and so on.

    The good mods dried up. New companies moved in trying to get a buck. Talented guys disappeared. I hope for their own well being that they got picked up by gaming companies. But we all lost at the end. You just need to go to rfactor central and check the tracks and mods being published. It is a skeleton from what it used to be.

    I left community for few years as well. Kids and so on. Now they are bigger and I am trying to implant racing game on them;) And I got back into community. But interestingly few things changed. I bought rfactor 2, when it came out, but I did not play it due to hardware demand. Just recently I build new comp and I can play it. But times when it comes to racing community are not the same.

    I think that what we had back in 2005 – 2010 is gone. We also experienced GFC. Market is so more aggressive and competitive. People have to work longer, harder, and the crisis is not over. The gaming industry changed under these conditions. Now everything is about DLC, and how to get a buck,.. Gamers, software developers, are owned and driven by business people, who are only interested in the profit figures. The games are coming out unfinished. In need of capital, they are publishing unfinished work to get funding for next work. Everybody is being pushed by time. And work is suffering. The response by gaming companies is terrible. No team to deal with consumers. Game is out and eyes are on next year after the sale figures are in.

    Now let’s look at the community. There is a lot of frustration that I can see in people. There are all sorts of people, some are poor, some have money for the best and latest, patient, inpatient, older, younger. We are all driven by the conditions around us, and new changes in the racing games, are affecting everyone. There are no releases of beta stages, instead games are purchased for discounted price. And people expect things more now days. Money was always precious, but times that we live today in, expectations are enormous.

    Sim games as AC and rfactor2 are released today with the same expectation as we had in past. The software will be provided and community will be formed as the builder of the mods. At least this is being marketed out there. They will give us tools and new talented guys will come on board. But today, there are different expectations from community. Expectations of laser scanned tracks, physics, and so on, to be done by community that probably will never be able to even put a foot in any of this cars.

    For this reason, I believe that we have to understand that times that we experienced in past are gone. That community will never be able to match the expectations from new generations of players and develop in the ways we were told. That time and money in world conditions today will be even more punishable. I guess people have to realise and understand the changes that are going around them and hopefully act accordingly with more respect towards each other.

    I for one, don’t agree with the changes in the Sim world, but then again don’t see that things can be done otherwise at this time. The rules of game needs to be changed. Time will change, till then hope we can still appreciate other opinion and stay away from flaming wars.

    Sorry guys for putting you up through this. Just wanted to send my opinion that was on my mind….

    p.s. Interesting with the development of Internet, how it evolved the gaming world and how community started to connect through things that it loves, and how people started modding and developing tools, socialise, sharing knowledge and experience and how as time progresses the events again put a stop to it. How money and profit are fettering the further development…

    • GamerMuscle

      Things are far better now than they have ever been , software is better so is the hardware, more people play sims and more people know what they are , the mods that come out now are far more likely to be good and of high quality compared to the past.

      Most people are happy and love how things are most people are all so happy with the prices and amount of choice we now have.

      I racing
      R3e
      Pcars
      Ac
      Rf2

      The only thing we lost was how LFS was in its hay day and some rf1 servers like the rfc ones. But as a whole things are awesome in simracing rightnow and most people feel that way.

      Oculus rift …
      Affordable sevo wheels….
      Development of ac rf2 I racing ….

      People tend to latch onto negative comments if you were to do polls and presented everyone with what’s available now they would nearly all pick 2014 simland over 2007 simland.

      • http://www.gtlw.co.uk/ Lúcio Marques

        I think you forgot the biggest factor of them all – the human factor.

        You can have the nicest gadgets, latest technologies, APIs, enhancements and developments in sim-racing games, but the most important thing, without any question, is the people found around in “X” or “Y” sim-racing title.
        Communities make or break the games. Be it to develop mods, to race online, or to discuss aspects of the game. This all adds a significant part to the experience in the long term, also to the lifespan of a title.

        I look back at the late 90s and early 00’s with GPL, SCGT, F1-2K2/F1C and NR2003, then to the mid 00’s with GTR1, RF1 (this one to some extent, as not all has been good), GTL, GTR2 and, with all honesty, I see nothing of what it used be in any sim-racing games released after those.

        There is no longer a large scale cooperation for modding (instead there’s a lot of stealing and taking other modders stuff as granted, heaps of subpar obscure projects), and instead there’s a growing tendency for rude/unfriendly/disrespectful (if cynical) communication in general.
        To add to that, we have a pretty harsh scenario where every single new sim-racing title is released as “ongoing beta”, now also embracing DLC and micro-transactions business practices, which also doesn’t help things.
        Things are far worse they have ever been if you look deep.

        Looking around, I believe all this puts a lot of people off when it comes to invest fully in new titles, and why a significant number of “old farts” stick very hard to semi-obsolete titles that, matter of fact, have had aspects and content improved tenfold through the years, and still have a nice environment all around.

        If the choice is to either stick with what already was working ok (but obsolete in its tech) or pick the newest ubber shiny title that is pretty demanding on resources (a sad fact, in an economic crisis worldwide scenario), unfinished, and where spreaded communities are usually composed of twenty-something fellas with excessive assertiveness (or raging hormones?), I think it’s going to be tough to see the hobby get back to that golden era which (as Chege described above) once was a reality.

      • Chris Wright

        Too right things are better than they used to be. For those who weren’t in the hobby when, for example, Grand Prix Legends was released, back then it was impossible to run the game with a full field in full detail with anything like decent FPS, pretty much irrespective of hardware. Today things are almost universally butter smooth on a reasonably up to date and well specced PC. Assetto Corsa very much sets new graphic standards and, to date, runs like an absolute champ. We’ll see how a full AI field affects that.

      • Anonymous

        Assetto Graphics are pretty darn good and when combined with the game physics produces a winner. However Assetto can be a bit jaggy on the guard rails.
        pCARS I would say or SMS for that matter are setting the standards for graphics thus we not forget the graphics were pretty darn good in the Shift titles. However and mind you Kunos is further along in the dev process of their title overall is a tad better physics wise. Other elements hands down SMS is further ahead with things like AI and MP and physics is still a WIP. When it’s all done I look to compliment both at a high level of regard.

    • BackMarker

      signed. well said!!

      i am a newcomer and have only been sim racing for about 3 years.

      We are in a extremely small niche hobby and I find all of this infighting and splintering into “sim factions” by pilots to be sad, disgusting, and
      childish. We should support each other to help increase the vitality of this hobby. imho,ymmv

      (if you downvote any comment, please be brave and post a reply to explain your decision to help us understand your pov).

  • T0MMY3688

    is there a release date for the full game (when it is no longer in Steam Early Access)? Kinda odd to see a release date for a DLC but not the full game.

    • Jason Garrett

      They have said the 1.0 version will be in April. The pre-order for this DLC will open shortly after that.

      • T0MMY3688

        Thx for the info, I must have miss that part.

  • Brandon Miller

    Nords isn’t really a highlight for myself, but glad to see the majority get what they are asking for. :) In my opinion racing on this large circuit is not so desirable and wish that the money could have been invested in laser scanning smaller, more online competitive friendly tracks. Cool if you are into Hot Lapping, but not for me. Understand the “novelty” though.. awesome Kunos, you rock!

    Where do we submit the votes for a TORC DLC mod?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDo5O_qpnXI&feature=youtu.be&t=1m10s

    Would be amazing if someone can do this justice. Fun, tight racing, and the trophy trucks were pretty cool in Dirt 2, and rFactor. I remember seeing a video of Niels trophy truck physics as well, looked like a fun workout with his wheel.

    • Anonymous

      Nords is a competitive track (and fast too), but it’s important that cars and drivers skill are very close to each other, otherwise you go alone most the time.
      That, or 2nd option are massive grid multiclass races where you have to find your way through dozens of slow cars, which is incredible fun once you know the track well. I don’t expect AC to handle 60+ cars at nords in the beginning, but who knows, if it turns out to be well moddable in the future we might see full VLN grid which would be just mad fun.

    • Anonymous

      I would love to see TORC as DLC

  • MrMaki

    Wooohooooo!!! Best Christmas ever! Yesterday my wife gave me a lap at the Ring during VLN Training as a present and now this! NOS-Christmas :-)
    Nooo, I don’t want to wake up!!!!!

  • Olivier Prenten

    Merry christmas everybody! Thanks KS for the great announcement! ;)

  • Alesi

    phfffhh… september 2014???? some kind of joke?

    • Gulyás Tamás

      Pretty ridiculous announcement in december … but I like AC

    • Marcel

      Phfffhh your post is some kind of joke

    • Deatroy

      Creating 10 race cars and 25km track needs time.

    • F1Racer

      Aaah that sense of entitlement. It’s so trendy.

    • Bekim Dine

      Rome wasn’t built in a day. What a childish comment.

    • Skytrill

      Alesi has been much more patient before his first victory.

      • Petros Dialektakis

        Maybe little Alesi didn’t get his favourite x-mas present yesterday. Just ignore him.

    • Anonymous

      9 months can seem long. There are other things in life that also takes 9 months, I’m sure your daddy will have that talk with you eventually.

  • Michael Hornbuckle

    edit..post retracted…ask Kendra or Realkman666 for it…they are the pillars of this community

    • F1Racer

      I think every AC owner should read that link, not just the whiners and the ingrates ! In fact it should be a separate article. Marco puts it all into a very clear perspective and spells things out how they are in the real world and not just in peoples own personal bubbles.

    • F1Racer

      That wasn’t a great idea. That link was a good one that people should read. Don’t let other people beat you up man.

    • Realkman666

      What did I do now???

  • Jim. C

    I’m not as big a fan of the Nordschleife as most here, but this is a massive coup for Assetto Corsa. Absolutely huge.

  • Paul Mackenzie

    Amazing announcement! Can’t wait to race on it, not my favourite track (prefer Spa, Silverstone and the best, Suzuka) but it’s certainly one of the best in the world. As for the 10 car coming thats also fantastic news! The best part I think though is that we as a community asked and choose this. Sad to see the haters not understand this…

  • Nikita Makarov

    Oh such a great news!!!! Kunos THE BEST!!!

  • MrNone

    epic to race alone.. online races dont reach more than 2 laps

    wasted time

    • Juha Mikkola

      You race with the wrong crowds :)

      3 weeks ago we had a 24h race at nords and the winning team and second had 16 seconds between them at the line driving 8:07 laptimes with gt3 ferrari in rFactor. 6th and 7th raced till the last corner for the place.

    • Andrew McP

      Online racing is a minority interest. The Nordschleife is not. :-)

  • Anonymous

    Question:
    Did they offer a 1 DLC free (first DLC) when we/if pre-ordered? Just wondering, I have bought AC when first released on Steam but forgot. Thanks!

    • Damien

      Yes, IIRC Spa Francorchamps, the MP4-12C GT3 and the two SLSs are part of the first DLC which will be free for early access customers

      • Paul Mackenzie

        I knew about Spa and the SLSs but didn’t think the Mclaren MP4-12C GT3 was coming in the DLC?? I thought it was basically ready

      • Anonymous

        From what I know that’s wrong. That was the original plan with the pre-order in mind, before the bureaucracy hit, it has changed with the release of Early Access and now they are included in the 1.0 version, not a separate DLC.

      • Guest

        Mmh, it seems you are right. According to the official website, only the SLSs and Spa is labelled as “Free bonus content”. I hope the McLaren GT3 to be added to the early access soon!

  • Anonymous

    Speechless… Very solid move by AC team!
    Monza, Silverstone, Spa.. Nurb.Ring.. I won’t be surprised (next time) when they will nail it with Suzuka.

  • John Krisfalusci

    Forget that too long, what about the Tsukuba Circuit? The most perfect and action packed track on Earth! ^^

  • Roger Wallentin

    Laser scanned Nordschleife… Wow, finally!! :D Looking forward to September! :)

  • Fuzilah .

    I’m seriously not understanding people nowadays.
    Everybody complaining all the time, arguing about everything, comparing everything, full negativity charge.
    Is this a my wiener is bigger than yours/my father is stronger than your father 4th grade forum?!?

    This whole community revolves around one thing: racing sims. Well, the sims themselves and the people who make them should be respected and motivated, praised for their effort and constructively criticized when due. But what is this whining about? People spend hundreds, thousands of euros/dollars in computers, wheels, pedals, shifters, screens, rigs, apps, and many other things…all for one purpose only: playing sims.
    Creators and programmers spend years making the base, the reason for this hobby to exist, trying to get it right, making content, aproaching their views while trying to bridge the gap with peoples expectations. They need time, hardware, licenses, pay wagers and pay for their lives. They leak out and show much more than ever while they are going at it…
    And people complain for 30euros/dollars? People complain for DLC’s with a lot more content than full games they previously bought? People whine just about everything related to the sole reason this comuunity/hobby exists? Is there no respect and sense of reward for the people who make this hobby/community thrive? For the base without which none of us would be here talking about it?

    A little more consideration and perspective would be more than nice, it should be the expected norm. Be it Papyrus, Kunos, ISI, SImbin or whoever it is that deserves the upmost repsect and to be paid accordingly to their position in the game, and I don’t think they overcharge and ride porsches to the bakery while laughing at us. And if they did, in the end it would be their life, not for us to judge.

    Be respectful and understand the full picture. These guys are making the best they can to the full extend of their knowledge and capacity, at least they try. We OWE them. As much as all the periphelall guys. STOP COMPLAINING. You are not special, you are not the centre of the universe. Be constructive, accept the developers choices and progress. You have the honor of being a part of it and be heard, that is new to game making. Be happy about it.

    Peace.

    • F1Racer

      And the Oscar goes to…….

      Yes I totally agree ! Well said !

    • Olivier Prenten

      That’s unfortunately how the world has turned to! Overprotected and assisted youth never happy! Everything goes so fast nowadays that they are used to get and want everything NOW! And no excuses are allowed! Who’s fault is it really? The debate is open…
      I will do my best to help my son growing up normally and learning being happy with what life offers to him day after day!

    • BackMarker

      signed!

  • Silvio

    I don’t care about people complains. I got the best car simulator ever and I’ll support it. I could pay more for it, It is cheap for sure.

  • Paul Mullins

    There’s an old saying:

    You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you’ll never please all of the people all of the time..

    I would have thought that most AC owners would be pleased about ANY new content, regardless of subject or timing. It amazes me how many ‘spoilt brats’ are out there who complain about a gift. At Christmas time, I would have liked to have thought people would be more appreciative.

  • Kris Baxter

    I’m a tad confused here. I bought a game knowing it was not complete and that more content would be added over time, and now there are already paid for DLCs being talked about. How then do we then know when the full game ends and DLC begins? Not saying AC is ripping people off, but surely this is an easy way of making extra money when there is no finite description of what is included in the full game.
    As good as AC is, the content is lacking, and considering it was £30 early access discount, that is still alot for a sim these days, the most I’ve ever paid, and considering it is incomplete is a heck of a lot when you compare the vast array of cars and tracks available in Pcars.
    I’m just concerned by that fact I have dropped over £100 into 3 incomplete games that still offer very little return on my investment and I am still thoroughly enjoying Race 07 and GTR2, heck I still go back to rF1 for TCL on occasion.

    • Joe Gran

      The DLC won’t be out until September, where the game will be completed by early 2014. That’s where the game stops, and the DLC starts.

      You don’t HAVE to buy the Nordschliefe track from Kunos. There WILL be Nordschleife mods available for free (probably before the official version is available), so if you don’t support the DLC, don’t buy it. You just won’t have it laser-scanned.

      And Pcars is not in a great state right now, so I really wouldn’t consider that comparable to AC, because, well, where can I go buy Pcars and play it today?

      Also, there is a complete “finite description” of what’s in the full 1.0 release of the game. The official AC website will answer all your questions about that – it lists all the tracks and cars that you paid for for early access/1.0.

      I’m surprised you bought the game for $40 without knowing what you’re even paying for.

      • Kris Baxter

        I disagree with regards to the state of Pcars. I hadn’t raced it for months, then I bought AC, I had some fun and thought I would compare the Zonda at Mugello, I was pleasantly surprised, whilst Pcars lacked the feel and firmness, I was pleased to find the handling was agreeable and the performance was much better than I remembered, heck, I even tried a 10 car race on a rainy brno, and was stoked to find very little performance impact that I had experienced previously.
        Still some hiccups but I think it is shaping up nicely, as I am sure AC will over time.
        I guess its my fault to be comparing the vast array of cars and tracks in Pcars to the final selection in AC, I just want to know I am getting the most bang for my buck, as I am sure everyone does.
        Anyway, the point is that like a lot of people that have the 3 big sims that are in still in pre-release, we have paid over £100 for incomplete products, I preferred the old days where we got the final release for one price, GTL, F1C, GTR (2), Race (sort of), rFactor, we therefore got immediate enjoyment for our outlay.
        Hotlapping got boring a loooonng time ago, poor AI (or none) and no season implemented yet makes me question my own judgement, but I didn’t want to miss out either.
        But as I said earlier, I still go back to the classics, I enjoy making custom GDBs and custom classes with the retros in Race and PnG3 so I can race how I want to, where I want to, against the models and liveries I want to.
        In pcars there are enough cars to make a half decent season, currently in AC, there is not, Mclaren vs 458? Zonda vs ??? what compares to that? E30 vs ???. It looks like the final version will be incomplete and heavily reliant on community mods in order to get a decent size pack of varied cars going.
        I’m not slagging it off, just thinking aloud.

      • Chris Wright

        I also would love to buy sims in complete “boxed” form but I guess the main issues with that are: –
        – It is a failed business model in PC sim racing.
        – Due to the above, developers would probably not get projects funded at all if they had to wait longer to start recouping their investment.
        Unfortunately that’s just the way things are. There is also the additional thought that, certainly in rF2’s case, it can become very unclear as to when the final version has, or has not, been released…
        In the end this is a niche hobby which kind of dictates that it has to be funded in a niche way.

      • Kris Baxter

        not necessarily, all the usual suspects from our sim racing past were released as final versions and available off the shelf from any games retailer or amazon.
        Live For Speed may have been more successful if the game was marketed and sold where the general public could see it.
        I converted a mate in NZ who had no idea anything like this existed, he was aware of the usual suspects in arcade racing, i.e. NFS and GT on PSwhatever, but when I showed him rFactor he was so blown away he built himself a rig, bolted on a G27 and we built his first proper custom built gaming PC.
        The problem is our sim racing is being made niche because it is not marketed in the mainstream and some games are only mentioned on sites such as this. I understand that of course small devs don’t have a big marketing budget to go mainstream, and no doubt the recent addition of both pCars and AC to Steam will help them get more coverage, and I appreciate not wanting to sell out to the big publishers keeps their independence, but at what cost to what could be?

      • Chris Wright

        Actually, reading what you said very carefully, I think we 100% agree with one another.

        The inescapable fact is that the general public just wants an arcadish experience without depth. The Gran Turismo and Forza franchises most iconically represent the mainstream concept of a driving sim.
        Coincidentally, the shortcomings of race sim marketing struck me like a thunderbolt only yesterday. I had a quite stunning rF2 Clio racing session at Croft. As it’s the holidays, I had more time than usual to set the car up and, once I had found the sweet spot, it was, in my view, probably more entertaining than anything else I can remember racing.
        The problem is that ISI, and others, never seem to ship their games with optimum generic setups, so people try these titles and just slide off the track all the time, and go back to the console games. In rF2’s case, this is made worse by making the default track condition Green. It’s just not the way to win more friends is it!
        This level of “out of the box” inaccessibility only makes it even less likely that a mahor publisher is going to put any marketing muscle behind titles. Hence the market finds itself in an, if you will, perma-niche state.

      • Michael Hornbuckle

        The only reason we own incomplete games is because we bought them early…We were willing to wait on them to be completed in order to play what was ready now.

        The option to buy a final release is still out there; you just have to wait until the game is actually released.

    • Deatroy

      Content of AS Version 1.0: http://www.assettocorsa.net/en/
      Just READ before buying and complaining, because there is a finite description.

      Content of DLC: Nordschleife + 10 cars.
      DLC will be available after Version 1.0.
      Licenses arent cheap mate.

    • Chris Wright

      Odd one this. Can’t agree with you with your issues with AC DLC, KS have been commendably transparent, but I sure can identify with you that many of us have dropped not inconsiderable amounts of cash into a few as yet incomplete sims.. Although I don’t have a problem with this as such (the developers really need this practical/financial support) I do think that those who are delighting in knocking the “entitled” attitude of some are perhaps overlooking this fact a little. The assertion that has been expressed that developers don’t owe us anything isn’t really correct is it! They owe us the completed games we poneyed up for when they were in a very alpha/beta state. The good news is that the buy now, play the full sim much later approach is beginning to pay off in spades, which is just as well when you think about it.

    • Anonymous

      Well I would say that Kunos deserves the benefit of the doubt at this point and was always stated the title would not be jam packed with content like some others but to be filled with the help of community modding teams. It’s good you still enjoy the older games and I can relate to the desire to want finished products as in comparison to the open beta era were in ATM.

    • Anonymous

      Well read on Assetto Corsa web page what you bought and will get in AC 1.0. I dont know guys, are you stupid or just playing stupid?

      • Anonymous

        Come on now Kris has been a pretty well stand up member around here. I think your post is stupid

      • Anonymous

        Then he should read befor buying.

      • Anonymous

        What I am saying is Kris does not come into these forums to cause problems and should be deserved some slack before being called stupid. As for me I have probably earned my downvotes. Anyway enjoy your sunday.

      • Chris Wright

        Well there’s an up vote for you from me, as so many are keen to shoot anyone down in flames at the slightest provocation. It seems vital around here that you should only express the generally held opinion, or even worse, the exact opinion of the critic concerned.

        If your views come out of left field a bit more, smile and await your down votes :-)

      • F1Racer

        You could maybe be a bit less harsh on the guy.

      • Chris Wright

        Unfortunately finding fault is the number one sport around here :-)

      • F1Racer

        And that is a sport without winners.

      • Kris Baxter

        Nope, my bad, I didn’t check the site again. I just thought that the announced tracks and cars were the minimum we would get in the final version, not that will be the final version and DLCs later.

  • speed1

    Very simple, we wish to have, the guys develope, nothing more easy than that and i don’t think it works without money to hire someone doing a job for you and this is a job the guys do for all of us. No one lives only by love or a few happy people. Who are we can provide these expectations ?

    People won’t NS in HQ and laser scanned ? This is madness, a work of this size is worth the money. Unfortunately AC isn’t for me atm.

    • Anonymous

      Are you an iRacer?

      • speed1

        No more after a short test phase.

      • speed1

        Not that i’m intrested in but who is that silly to downvote a simple statement neither negative nor has a real content ?

      • Anonymous

        Who knows? and I didn’t get one as well? I thought downvoting me was almost automatic for some people

      • speed1

        Finally we earned lots of downvotes, lol.

    • Anonymous

      Just curious Speed1, if AC and iRacing is not for you what is?

      FM4/FM5
      GT5/GT6
      pCARS
      rF2/rF1
      R3E/DTM
      GSC 2013/2012
      F1 2013/F1 2012

      AC is best game out at the moment IMHO… w/pCARS in 2nd and then GSC 2013, followed by rF2 and R3e in the distance bringing up the rear.

      • speed1

        Did i mention any specific reason for my statement or did I just give a simple answer to a simple question ? Birddogg66 don’t ask something specially, just if i’m a iRacer, even i don’t know why he asked that, and i’m currently not. You can’t see me bashing any developer as many silly guys here do, me is ever seriously and honest nothing more. I have a great respect to all the sim developer and in this case i even don’t said something negative. What is the reason to be disrespectfull to me ? You see me bashing all over the web as some of the brainless people here do ? You see me posting at AC forum or any other puplic area about AC or any Sim of your choice ? If i’m intrested, i go and tell the responsible directly in the face what i think and don’t behave like the child’s at VirtualR. You see me contributing much to any topic at VirtualR ?

        Cmon man, there are many other people out you can behave like this to but you have no right to do so with me.

        And about the best, it is your opinion not my opinion but i see where you are coming from, just because i’m not in love means i’m a bad guy to you ? Hey man just for the record i’m a bachelor and a master of motor vehicle technicians. You think i need you or any other one telling me what is good or not ?

        Guys like you are the reason the sim community loosing people like me more and more. I wish you all the best with all the kids around you.

      • Anonymous

        If your wondering why I asked the iRacing question it’s because you seem to at least be okay with the concept of Laser scanning and the value of it. Which is pretty common for iRacers. As for the others here Speed 1 knows I have never had a problem with him.

      • speed1

        Yes i know mate and i don’t get his behaviour, since i wasn’t negative. Really odd this simracing community but hey everybody can be lucky because i’m finally out of the puplic. I’m really tired about all this negativity and even real guys like me are attacked for nothing.

        Regarding your assesment, it’s not any concept, it’s the understanding of how business works and the efforth the people put in there projects and nobody lives just by air. Fine it was but it isn’t the case and you can see which typ of guy i’m with my posts, even i’m not a fan, i’m not negative about the guys. I’m happy there are developer out sharing my love about cars but i’m real and if i think something is not good enough for me, it is up to me and not anybody to like it or not, since i’m a pro in real life and not a self called of the game industry but still i’m not negative intended and appreciate the work of those.

        I’m tired of all the fakes thinking to know something.

      • Anonymous

        Randall is a good dude and might have just been misunderstood and genuinely curious. Or maybe his personal take on his favorites caused the understanding of it to be misguided.

      • speed1

        Don’t know, and I’m not mad at him just disappointed. I always thought I am one of the good but as said it’s over now and i’m off the puplic for now. Do it well mate ;)

      • speed1

        Since i’m no more intrested in what anybody thinks about me, especially when i see peoples behaviour and downvotes for nothing i will do what i never did, and tell you my opinion about what is the best or not in a competitor chat, and it is for sure not AC, the number one is already …….rFactor2…. !
        Finally you know what i think is the best and who are the real guys imho ;)

  • Big Ron

    I am not as impressed or amazed as others. Nordschleife in AC is a cool deal. But a non-laser scanned Nordschleife for less money for DLC would have done it for me. I´ve seen a lot of great non-laser scanned, virtual Nordschleifes already, I doubt that laser-scanning would give me a different experience and is worth the extra money. I don´t put any value on it.

    Also, developers should have realized that the Nordschleife has to be basic content in every racing game nowadays.

    • Hairytoes

      It’s not laser scanning per se that is the desirable thing. It’s having a truly accurate track which is something anyone interested in simulations would logically see value in.

      I should also point out that the gtrevo version has many issues regarding camber that negatively impact the flow of the track. This is not counting track bumpiness and undulations and kerb height or even elevation issues. I still rather enjoy it but I’m confident a laser scanned version will be noticeably much better.

  • MrBobbo44

    Yes, I bought this game without looking into what was coming with it. It was on a Steam sale, I haven’t really been in to racing sims in a while, and understood it was early access. God forbid you buy a game these days without researching whether or not you’re getting ripped off. The way they made it sound was you bought early access with limited cars/tracks, and when the game released you got the full deal (a decent selection of cars). Wasn’t aware you’d only have a selection of a handful of cars and a handful of tracks, and everything else would be DLC. I got the game for like 20 bucks on a Steam sale, already feel like I’ve gotten my money worth out of it, but definitely not going to be dropping a ton of money so I can have a decent selection of cars and tracks. The way they market the game is misleading. I’m not a “spoilt brat”, I just don’t like being misled. I find the people justifying this kind of ridiculous. It’s not because this is a “niche” game that it won’t be all that successful, there are just other options that aren’t such a scam. Look at Gran Turismo, may not be quite as realistic as Assetto Corsa, but at least I get a wide selection of cars and tracks without being penny pinched for them. Then again, I really hate the idea of DLC in general. Or if you want to stick with PC, haven’t looked into Project Cars all that much, but I think it’s safe to assume it will launch with a wider selection of cars and tracks without having to pay more for it. Then again, even that game has been in beta for like 2 years or some crap. Not even a community developed project anymore. You should be able to get a decent amount of content when the game’s “final version” releases for $50 or whatever it is. The whole trend of game companies selling you a whole lot of nothing for $50 and then charging up the yang for DLC is just ridiculous.

    • Michael Hornbuckle

      You didn’t research what you were buying yet you feel misled and ripped off….LULZ
      If 36 officially licensed cars with individual and accurate physics and ten laser-scanned tracks aren’t enough for you too bad. That’s what you get for not spending 30 seconds looking into what you were spending money on.

      If having “only” 36 cars that actually drive like they do for real is far less important to you than having a hundred that drive alike then you bought the wrong game. And less than two minutes of clicking a mouse and reading would have told you this.

      If you hate DLC you need to quit playing video games immediately. Many publishers use DLC as a pure money grab and have no problems doing it. Dev teams such as Kunos use DLC in order to continue adding features for years down the road instead of pumping the same game out every year.

      You say it sucks how they market this game; the only marketing they have done is get on Steam and put up a webpage that explains EXACTLY what is included in Version 1.0. You not being able to spend more than 30 seconds figuring out what you are buying is the reason you are disappointed.

      You say that you aren’t a spoiled child and I would have to disagree.

      • Robert Stanley

        Ignore this guy; he belongs on 4chan with all the rest of the teenage angst who don’t seem to be able to help being a drama queen or communicate without the use of gifs or 4channish…he just comes out of the troll cupboard to try & well…troll everybody who doesn’t agree with him. The sad part is that there are people like this who will want to race online.

    • Guest

      Don’t like DLC….

      Best that you stay away from the Rise
      Of Flight and Battle
      Of Stalingrad flight sims then.

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