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Reminds me a lot of Forza 3, though that might partly be the Fiat Abarth…

I can;t wait for this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO GO GO GO.. and its going to be modable!!!! JOY TO THE WORLD!!

Bye pCARS. 
Welcome Assetto Corsa!

Does this mean Netkar is finished and won’t have more cars ?

Gran Turismo 5 PC

There will be a Lambo for nKPro done by modders.

It could have reminded you of nKPro too…if you had bought this great sim.

Looks fantastic. Great job guys!

Why can’t we have both.

between this and pcars rfactor isnt doing so good

Because pCARS s*cks! 

Translation: Because I got banned from the WMD forum for being unable to behave.

The same will happen here if you keep this attitude up…

Nope. 
I just told the truth and the truth hurts too much 
full of complexes  amateurs.

Come on… Now you are being childish… 

It’s ok if you don’t like it… I tried it myself and I didn’t like it that much too, but it’s a good effort taking in account the Shift series… And from what I’ve seen from Assetto Corsa, it has beautiful graphics too (pCars nails that area…), but physics wise… Well, Assetto has an excelent background! netKar pro! :D

Just… behave, man!

Those time of day colors are absolutely gorgeous! :D

At least as far as graphics goes….

For me, rFactor 2 is better than pCARS.  Unless they can step it up in the handling/force feedback department, I’ll stick with rFactor 2. 

Now, I have never played nKPro, but from the sounds of it, Assetto will be the main competition for rFactor 2.

And as I have stated before, I cannot run pCARS on max settings (and from the looks of it, I will not be able to run Assetto on max either) so for me, the way the game looks is last on the list.

I mean, the new shaders remind me of Forza’s.
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/116/1160913/forza-motorsport-3-20110411005641814-001.jpg
When I tried nKP, it sure didn’t look like this.

Anyone notice that there are no rubber marks on the surface of the track? I’m thinking A.C may well have a dynamic surface model because of this.

I´ts like iRacing but with next gen graphics! 

Rfactor who? 
CARS who? 

iRacing who? 

Assetto Corsa – simply the best. 

http://youtu.be/p_Zhy_rtq9c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_Zhy_rtq9c

iRacing will still have the best competitive scene because of the infrastructure it has, I really hope A.C follows suit. Only then can you say goodbye to iRacing, at least on the road side because nothing will ever come close to trumping iRacing on the oval side; they have a championship sponsored by NASCAR!

Of course they will step it up in handling/FFB, it’s in development, geez… The progress is impressive from build to build.

This does it im buying new pc parts

I’m saying that they won’t, but for me, the biggest factor in deciding which sim to play is how it feels and not what it looks like.  I just don’t like to make assumptions that they will improve it in a way that I will like.

And I fully admit that I am a bit pessimistic when it comes to video games.  I have very specific things that I look for, especially when it comes to racing games, and so far, rFactor 2 is on the top of my list.  But that doesn’t mean it won’t change 6 months from now.   

It may be the truth in YOUR opinion, but it clearly isn’t in everyones.  Your opinions are not facts.
It’s got nothing to do with complexes and the only amateur I’m seeing is you from the content of your posts.

If you don’t rate pCars then say why in a constructive way instead of using the language of a child.   I’m still confused why you blanked out a letter in ‘sucks’ too.  Is that so we couldn’t guess what the words was ?  

Also what is this attitude that because one title comes along, some people just blank out and dismiss the rest as if they are only able to play 1 sim ?  I’ve never understood that attitude and I find it quite narrow minded.
All we’ve got to go on so far from Assetto so far are screenshots and yet it’s already being hailed as the  next best thing around.  Kind of presumptuous isn’t it ?
We have an unfinished rF2 and pCARS,and a yet to be released GTR3
I mean we have nkpro to gauge off, but if I logged all my hours behind sims, nkpro for all its fine physics, would not be up there in the top 5.

Simply the best what ?  Screenshots ? I mean thats all we’ve seen so far. And even then the ones from pCARS blows this away imo.

Might need a new gfx card for my putta later this year then!!!

Looking good :).

P Cars looks like crap compared to these shots… 
P Cars looks like a game with very nice graphical models but it does not look real in any way.

Are you also suggesting the physics will be worse then NKPro which already is at the very top of physics. 

Thankfully i like to turn right from time to time so i could care less of Oval racing. 

iRacing is the best right now but i can garantuee you it won´t. AC will follow suit in terms of web based etc. 

the biggest downfall NKP had was the marketing, you had to be a sim racer to hear about it.
that is why so little people were online. i just hope they step up the marketing for this title, as it would be a shame to see very little people online for this title.
And yes the graphics are much improved, just hope they can keep up the good work with the physics as well.and if the modding is a bit easier than rF2, i’m sure more people will be moving over to this.
but you also have GTR3 to look forward to as well. i’m sure time will tell

Kunos keeps on surprising me.  This looks just great. I am curious how it will sound.

Simply the best – hahaha.
How many times have you played it?

When its out and you want to say its the best, then fine, tell us all why you have that opinion, until then how about jacking in the immature trolling  and stop needlessly rubbishing other sims.

The more quality racing sims on PC the better.

VirtualR makes me so giddy from time to time.  It if wasn’t for the negative and unconstructive criticism from some of the posters here, I would literally be drunk with excitement at some of the news presented here on this site.   Thank you Rob and also to F1Racer_RR for his moderation duties.  My six year old son and I really look forward to VirtualR’s future ‘presentations and peeks’! 

That’s true. Graphics in pCARS is very cartoonish. And the physisc…. 
just crap.

Hes just ditching netkar pro as fast as he can, even though the game is more than adequate, netkar pro had hardly any cars, this one probably wont either, or he will charge ridiculous prices. I would be hard pressed to buy this game, because It seems now all he cares about is being greedy. Waste of a very great sim.

Not trying to stir up touble but I do find it quite amusing how things that are not finished or even released yet can be the best available. Kind of like spending your money before you get paid. :P Should be a very good year for us sim-racers, will be interesting to revisit some of these comments after we do get the full versions of some of these new sims and see how things have changed. Happy racing everyone.

come on, pCars gfx are great, i don´t like physics and ffb, but graphics are awsome… one more thing, rfactor2 can look like this game, just wait for some car paint shaders and tracks, look for rfactor supra mod in google images…

I’m not suggesting anything.   I have no idea how the physics will be but you have to suppose they will be at least on par with nkpro.    As for nkpro being at the very top, is a matter of opinion.

Either way I don’t think you’ll find it an easy task convincing too many people that the screenshots above make the ones from pCARS look crap.  I think they both are good quality.

It doesn’t have to be either/or.  You are allowed to like more than one sim.  This isn’t football.

You give the immature child more attention than he deserves :)
Man I just hope one of these sims (GTR3, Asseto Corsa, whatever) is coming out in a finished state real soon because I want an up-to-date sim I can just play. pCARS is awesome and all but a finished version is still a while away…

The FFB has been getting a rework actually. Tried the latest pCARS build (139)? On my G27 the FFB is great. And it’s getting more improvements for next week…
they still need to work on compatibility though, the new FFB doesn’t work right with other wheels yet, but they need to finish it first.

Simracing is a small niche. So why we should like only one sim and hate all the others? The (small sim community) place is big enough for more sims. rF2-beta has great potential and the last builds of pCARS are definitively a simulation with the step in the right direction.

no, it isn’t a matter of opinion. how can physics be a matter of opinion. Something is either more realistic, or less realistic. 
nkpro still drives the best of any sim so far, though rf2 has shown massive potential. 

This is a silly statement.  netKar PRO is built on a codebase which is at least 5 years old and Kunos has explained many times that he cannot change the code to add new features such as dynamic weather.  It is time for a rewrite, and hence a new title which will no doubt bring everything Kunos has learned from NKP with it.  Charge ridiculous prices?  NKP is 14.90 euro!

I would say so, except for mods as Ricoo said.

Where did I say netkar pro was a ridiculous price?. And what does weather effects have to do with adding more cars?, he’s had 5 years, it wasn’t that silly mate so calm down….

Your post triggered some dusty old memories, I reckon netkars roots go back to around 1993. Think it was netkar namie back then, seem to remember a couple of the cars in it being really good fun to drive. Have done some damage to the brain since then after some very, very good parties so I could be wrong to. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeToHQ1DuM0

Looks amazing, I simply can’t wait.

I agree, the latest pCARS build has nearly nailed it and what they’re talking about with next week’s release is very promising. rFactor2 is also fantastic, apart from a poor framerate I find the whole game very impressive, I’ve put many hours into it already. I’m loving it all, we have all these great sims, the only problem is which one do I want to play today?

It looks like e are getting more racing sims this year than we’ve gotten in a very long time. Its definately time to buy a good wheel.

 You said he was being greedy lately which is wrong. NetKar Pro is the cheapest sim available that I know of and you dont have to pay a subscription to race online. So he is far from being greedy. If he was being greedy he would increase the price of NK Pro.

 I bet your six year old son is more respectful than some people who post on here.

This is very good statement. Agree with you.

I LOVE the illumination on those screens…no sim impressed me this way since Iracing.

“P Cars looks like a game with very nice graphical models but it does not look real in any way.”

This looks real to you?

It looks nice and all, but in no way am I fooled into thinking I’m looking at a real photo here. Never seen a playable game that has. Maybe in the year 2030

Nothing wrong with it looking like Forza, that game looks good for the most part.

I think you may have proved him right with that video Ricoo, as compared to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKD43GTR_dM The car model in NKpro doesn’t look as good while it’s in motion (IMO)

Looks really nice, last one is really nice

‘It seems now all he cares about is being greedy.’
That must be the most crapiest statement of the year. I bought NetKarPro some 5 or 6 years ago for 15 euros.The first release was kind of a let down and development seemed to have stopped. But the next releases were (very) big improvements and he never charged an extra penny for them.

I say, heads up to this guy (and his team).

nKPro has 9 cars, 4 were added recently without charging anything.

All those cars have very good physics and mastering them can take hundred of hours…

nKPro is one of the best sim out there, so it’s hard to imagine how its following could be less good.

My aim was not comparing the graphics since it’s the kind of thing not that important for me, and I am not a fond of game comparison. It was just to remind that the Abarth is already a great car available in nKPro.

I guess this is what I am looking for on the graphics-wise……as a next-gen sim

Right, and some people have mistaken ideas of what is realistic.

I’ll wait til I hear it. No other company has suggested they will have a system of competition (ratings by speed and safety, etc) like iRacing. As such, I’m not interested in any of these other sims… yet.

1993?  You mean 2003.  I think Kunos has said he first started experimenting in 2001, 2002 was the first release of netKar, & 2003 the final 0.9.9 namie.  Then of course it became nKPro.  There were some good cars (in netKar namie), I remember the Zonda being particularly fun, along with the Mini & F2000/3000.  Shame my current PC won’t run it anymore :(

The fourth shot really reminded me of GT5 ^^
It looks fantastic for a one man team. Where are all the “oh, ISI is such a small company, they can’t work on good graphics!”. This already proofes you wrong.
It can’t compete with pCARS in any way, but it impresses me a lot for a project of a single person. Unfortunately this one will stay a niche game in a niche genre.

IIRC that would have been 1.1 beta 2 (when the Abarth was first released).

Lets hope a Lambo + more :D

It’s meant to have an “improved sample based sound engine”.  The sounds in nKPro aren’t great (but then neither are iRacing’s imo), so lets hope they’re good.  Forza 4′s were excellent!

I think you need to be a sim-racer to know about any sims.  When people ask what I play & I say nKPro & iRacing they’ve never heard of them.  Word of mouth marketing should be enough (LFS has done pretty well off of it).  They’ll never have the budget to advertise like iRacing, or bundle copies with wheels like ISI, or bring out a console game like SimBin (or as CARS is also panning to?).  Regarding modding I hope it’s a lot easier than with nKPro =)

pastor i think you have misunderstood.  I was talking about nkpro being at the top, a matter of opinion.
By that I mean the sim as a whole, not just it’s physics.   But to answer your question anyway….

The laws of physics are what they are and they don’t change.  The values of physics today are the same as they were almost 14 billion years ago (I’m assuming here that you don’t think the world was created by an invisible sky man 6000 years ago).
However the implementation of physics in a sim do change over time.  They change in their sophistication.
The physics in an arcade game are not as sophisticated as a harcore sim.  How do we know this ? We have an opinion.  But,we can’t just take it as fact that all arcade games are less sophisticated as all sims because it’s not true.  DiRT 3′s physics blow away those of Crammonds GP1 because the physics engine is far more complex.

When we judge physics in this situation, we can only judge them on their sophistication, or realism, as you put it.   How real that turns out to be is very much open to opinion.

Your statement of nkpro driving the best of any sim is simply an opinion.  If it were fact you would find everyone in the sim community in agreement with you and somehow I don’t think that’s going to happen.

amazing graphics and what’s that laser scanned grass! If this thing comes out with laser scanned tracks and scanned cars which seem to be the case 2012 will become much more interesting! No way this is an 1 man show this has some big investor behind it for sure!

amazing
graphics and what’s that laser scanned grass! If this thing comes out
with laser scanned tracks and scanned cars which seem to be the case
2012 will become much more interesting! No way this is an 1 man show this has some big investor behind it for sure!

Its not a one man team.

Looks like rFactor 2! Nice!

fair enough Ricoo

Looking very promising……I do hope this means some of the current NKP cars will make a reappearance in AC. F1800 has to be in there :)

Beautiful, simple, sharp, with nice effects without anything overdone (learn, DICE). Me likes it very much!

will this support modding?

8 people work within K.S now.

The only problem I see is that I don’t think anyone can do it as good as iRacing without having a subscription fee.  For me, that would be fine, but a lot of people think it should all be free.

Do not feed the trolls.

Yes it will support modding.

Just installed the latest build and it still just feels off to me.  It’s better, but for me, there seems to be a FFB “deadzone” of some sorts.  This will be hard to explain, but whenever I stop turning the wheel it’s like the FFB resets or something and creates a deadzone in the FFB, i have to turn the wheel ~15 degrees before I get any FFB feeling back.  

Basically, its very easy (almost no resistance in fact) to turn the wheel for the fist ~15-20 degrees, but after that the resistance kicks in.  It makes it feel very inconsistent and difficult to drive.They are definitely improving all around though, so only time will tell.

How many of us live in the real world anyway ? :D

I think you mean you ‘couldn’t’ care less. Meaning it is not possible for you to care less than you do now.
If you ‘could’ care less then I would ask, why don’t you ? :)

Amazing! I will suport them with love and money.

Nice trees ….

I like the lightning of this screens. But it looks far away from “real”. If pCars looks like a game, this one does, too.

I actually play other sims, monkey.. 

Again, use your head and think a little bit, it´s not an extraordinary conclusion to make when you use that piece of goo sitting in a water filled area above your eyes.

yea lighting looks very real. 

Rfactor will never look like this sorry. 

As the community moderator, do you think comments such as “I’m assuming here that you don’t think the world was created by an invisible sky man” are appropriate?

“It can’t compete with pCARS in any way”
“A niche game in a niche genre” ????

Why would AC be doomed compared to pCARS????? it doesnt make any sense and your post is, as always, full of perpetual negativism..

There are no reasons to believe that AC will be under C.A.R.S. or any other sims as the physic will be at least on par with last iteration of NKP which is still a reference and still, unless im wrong, the most important aspect in a racing sim. It’s also mod friendly and Dx11 based so your post seriously lack of arguments.

kthxbye

You are a complete bore.
Hows about buttoning it with your repetitive sniping at other race sims.

Ah yes I was forgetting how sensitive some people can be about that sort of thing.  OK I promise not to say it again.  I’d hate to upset anyone.

I own NKP so I know what it’s like and it is very good, probably the only thing that has stopped it being a lot bigger is lack of marketing. Doubt if that will be the case with the new title, the team is bigger so one would assume they will be selling this more aggresively. Not having a shot at you dude but I didn’t understand where you were going with the post as I never mentioned any sim by title.

Cool it guys.  LeazesNDR, you don’t have to make a ‘troll’ comment every time somebody posts something you consider negative.  It will only provoke. Let Rob and me deal with things if they get out of hand.

General Rush Hour, enough with the personal insults.

Your probably right, like I said after some good parties my time sense sucks. :)

Only between the hours of 9 till 5 on weekdays…. :P

I meant FVA and the fact he’s just ditched netkar pro completely now, he could of had at least one more car now and its not all about money come on now lol, you guys are very defensive for no reason.

I do find it ironic that you’ve written several paragraphs on having an opinion and why his is no more meaningful than someone else’s, then make a dig at something many people take far more seriously than sim racing…

You’re supposed to be the moderator, you should hold yourself to a higher standard of courtesy than you might expect from others. I’ll keep you honest ;)

Bakkster, I don’t need you looking over me or dragging this point out.  And I don’t need to be told how I should hold myself either.    I made a light flippant comment, I’m human, your point was duly noted and I corrected it.  Lets leave it at that shall we ?

Yeah, there’s no way to do it without a subscription. Without it, it’s too hard to ban people and keep them banned. iRacing had that problem one of their first free demo, now they require a CC or payment method for identity verification even though it isn’t charged. That keeps people from getting banned, then just making a new account.

Works for me, not trying to rake you over the coals or anything, it was just a mistake.

Seems your mama never told you…

I fapped … And i don’t shame to admit that :D

hehe

Reading your post it seems you understood… ;)

10 years out?  What were you smoking & can I have some :D

Far as I’m aware Kunos is still responsible for all the coding.  The other people work on content/graphics etc.

Grass looks a little strawy though.

Nice cute car for little girls to drive. This is a racing sim for little girls????

Markus looks like such a cutey wearing those headphones ;)

Sure dude np, next time you call through Bathurst look me up ;)

Looks a lot like RFactor 2

a moderator and a teacher. 

Will you wipe my ass after i´m done as well? :)

Really do we need that anymore. For official races yes but how many truly run in the official series anymore? The GT & Prototype holds so many noobs that i quit racing officially and run hosted races instead. 

You don´t need ratings, safety if you got a good group of guys running with you.

I would like to see your laptimes with the Abarth. Smaller cars often means harder to handle when on the edge because the suspension is softer, tyres aren’t slick and pretty much anything in it is more primitive than let’s say.. a GTR car. So low powered cars also happen to be very difficult to drive on the limit, therefore they are challenging and they are as well a better way to tell if a simulation is accurate or not cause pretty much everyone in here drove at least one of them.. unlike an F1 or such. This said it’ll be nice to drive cars from all categories as well. I hope we’ll see some licensed sports cars as nissan 240sx or similar.. something between a Fiat500 and a Ferrari !

Best of luck to Kunos.

 Why do you even bother with games if nothing is good enough for you Markus?

That grass needs to be cut :)

Except for much better colors, lighting, smooth shadows and trees.

Classic GT, FTarget and KS2 too :-)

A real man would drive this car through the city in a pink shirt while cranking the sick beats of Justin Bieber. Probably.

Agree with your logic but I think the Abarth and FWD cars in general are pretty easy even on the limit. Certainly in the Abarth you can save even the most ludicrous oversteer just by getting on the throttle.

Colours, shadows and trees can easily be modded. i disagree about the lighting, The lighting on rf2 is superb

Definitely. Light touring cars are the best, far easier to approach the limit with, far more forgiving over it, and therefor they produce better closer racing.

Been running a league again this last season and remembering why I hate it. Sure, the racing is nice, but the rigid schedule is a drag for me. As soon as the Mustang has the new tires I’m back to official series there. MC racing is a whole different animal, needs better cross-class rules. In reality prototypes usually get a stop and go for any contact with a GT.

And this is exactly how many people run official series ;)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak0cuNIOoiffdGpQX3dlb09pUWFoeXNObEFnWGhmTlE&hl=de#gid=1

At the very least, take a look at rookie bottom splits and tell me the racing at B class wouldn’t be worse if they could drive any serie they wanted ;)

That was my initial thought as well… another GT5.  Don’t get me wrong I played GT5 yo level 36 but driving these cars gets old quick!  Again, just my initial thoughts.  Hope this game offers the full experience!

“I actually play other sims”

We know you do, but why are you saying the one you haven’t played yet is the best?

(bring on the insults again if you want sonny, it only makes you look more stupid than you have already shown yourself to be.:-))

I’m pretty sure Stefano Casilli was and is inspired by GT5 or Polyphony to some extent.  On two occasion- an interview given by him on Radicals Online and on AutoSimSport’s interview- he commented on how good he found GT5′s FFB (he even use the word “netKar-ish” on the Radical interview.

You may have explained it youurself. If pCARS goes the semi-sim Forza/GT5 route and AC is hardcore sim, of course the more casual pCARS will sell better.

All publishers are showing off with their infinite amount of high grass.

But all the tracks i have seen for real, the grass is mostly not much longer than a few cm.
Only very close the sides where it is more difficult to cut it grows a bit longer here and there.
But i admit it looks a bit more alive instead of standing on a flat texture.

DoF could be blurring the textures. But it does look super low res at first glance.

Spa in late afternoon is so beautiful, I could cry when driving at 300 km/h in my shaking like hell old F1 car. :)

How long ago do you think KS started coding for this ?
The codebase seems pretty advanced for such a newly announced project, don’t you think so ?

pCARS is not remotely close to the league Kunos Assetto Corsa are in !