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Why every sim licenses same cars? are they in a supermarket basket offer?

Well ¬¬ nice add indeed.

Nice addition for AC.
They all take the same licenses because most of those car we see lately are the most common and loved street/race cars today.

This is great news, it means the licensers are being more open with their stuff, so we can now compare cars directly in the different Sims.

There are only so many cars to be licensed…what do you expect?

…agreed, nice add.

I understand why all the same cars pop up in every sim, but it’s kind of disappointing to see the same cars in every sim too!

i wonder if they could license lamborghini too, but maybe they’re not allowed by ferrari :P

has an f1 car or license been anounced?

I would rather Mercedes license (C63 AMG, SLS)

Good car, but i rather drive the Mclaren F1. let’s hope it comes as well.

If only we could have LaFerrari and the P1 to go head to head with…

Who am I kidding, I just want to drive LaFerrari

I like that AC will have both the street version and the GT3 race-car. Any other sims have that? Besides, which version would most ppl rather own or try in real life?

Well I think it all comes down to the willingness of the Manufacturer in the end and some are more willing and easy to deal with than others. I give these manufacturers that better see the value of seeing their brands showcased in this genre of gaming a big thumbs up and wish others would follow by example DO YOU HEAR ME PORSCHE? FERRARI? As well as some others. Do not look down on the people that are actually making these licensing deals happen. Just be happy they are.

Better than seeing none of these cars. ;)

I am loving every Milli second of the competition. Bring It :)!!!

iracing is taking forever to release the l49 but the macca will be great to make a head to head comparison on physics handling and telemetry data. At last the best 2 sims will colide head to head!

Given the banks of computers needed to run both cars electronic aids I think we could do without them in a race sim.

I don’t think so. Some manufacturers are just more willing to provide licenses than others. Some even give it away for free (like Renault in rF2).

This officially became a crappy day at iRacing HQ

yes but lamborguini, bugatti, masseratti, peugeot, citroen, volvo, mercedes, audi, seat etc… I’d love to drive some touring or prototype cars of theese, old and new.
I’m happy for sure with the ones they offer, and others will be modded for sure…

Variety.

Well I can’t argue with that lol

Absolutely!

Unfortunately you are right on the money… some car manufacters are easy and prefer a good showcase of their product on as many game as possible, some seems just uninterrested (Peugeot-Citroen, alfa romeo, etc..) and some act like Divas with stupid and gready attitude…. (you know your name!)… hopefully with the great modding community, we will see much more than the “official” good will licences….

The GT3 version.

But honestly I’d even prefer to testdrive the F1 GTR Longtail over both MP4-12C versions.

I don’t for the life of me understand why people complain about every little freaking thing. I for one love this car and also love GT racing. So if I can get as many cars licensed from that series of racing the better. Furthermore how can you have too many cars.

Great news! I was so hopping that this car would be in the initial release. The only problem is I keep throwing my wallet at the screen and nothing seems to happen!

Q1 is almost over! I need it now, starting to get the itch like a crack head!

This is an excellent license!!

Would LOVE to see the F1 road car simulated properly!!

iRacing takes a long time to release any new cars (besides Cadillac). Look at the Ruf911, it’s been 9 months since they announced and we now have a wireframe progress pic.

I’m really happy about that. I’m sick of sims only focusing on race cars as if that’s the only thing we want to drive. Race cars tend to feel really similarly to eachother, especially within a class. So while have a McLaren, Ferrari, Lambo, Ford GT, etc. race cars wouldn’t be too exciting because they’re so similar in feel and performance, that’s not the case with the street car versions. Road cars have more unique feeling between eachother so in my opinion they have a higher value in a sim as long as all the basic racing classes are represented in the sim first

Those computers can be simulated quite easily though. GT5 does an amazing job of that, you especially can tell with the Nissan GT-R, McLaren MP4 12c and the Ferrari 458. They went to great length to replicate how those computer systems work. They did the same thing a few years ago for the Mitsubishi Evo’s 4WD system and yaw control in the tuning menu

I’m sure Kunos will be able to do that, plus with the much better tire physics, weight transfer simulation, and suspension model I’m sure it will feel even better

Bring on the LaFerrari and P1

Though I still think LaFerrari is a stupid name lol

i love your name and logo. you know what its all about.

On a positive note, it’s the best base for direct comparison…

First time that iRacing must drop their pants?! :)

Remember also the z4 gt3, and m3 gt2 will be in both sims!! Great time for competition, can’t wait ;)

Agreed, I’m very excited for AC for this reason.

Yeah, not my first choice for a name either, but I get the meaning behind it, and it works in that regard.

LaFerrari would be awesome!!

I assume that with the license they have its clearly possible that we will have it!

I’m just a bit curious about how the dual motors would be simulated… At least its all RWD so it’s not as complex to simulate like for example the Porsche 918 with its computer controlled electric FWD and combustion RWD…

Kunos Mclaren interior view http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8389/8535041152_6b234d6a76_c.jpg

I’ll lmao when the AC one drives like the iRacing one.

Yeah, c’mon iRacing, hurry up already with the Lotus ’49, we want to compare to Assetto Cor……. oh hang on a minute, lol.

They released their McLaren and loads of folks have bought it making them money in the process. Why is that crappy?

It must be warm where he comes from if he’s waiting for the Air Conditioning, lol.

Yeah. AC announced the KTM X-BOW R in January 2012, Lotus ’49 in April 2012. Anyone driven them yet in the sim? They’re so much quicker than iRacing, lol.

I guess at least the members over at iRacing can actually race in their McLaren at the moment, lol. More than the AC crowd can at present.
I doubt iRacing will be too concerned. They released their version, loads of members presumably bought it, iRacing made money from it. End of. Don’t see no reason to be ‘dropping pants’.

Assetto Corsa will be available in Q1 2013.
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They’ve got 25 days to meet that deadline then, lol.

You, my friend, drew the first laugh I’ve ever gotten from this forum. Well done!

While I realize what everyone is saying about the same cars being licensed… it’s hard for me to knock AC at all for that because of one of those licenses they landed… Ferrari. Could someone please tell me the last good sim to license Ferrari’s? GTR2 is the only one that comes to mind.

-Blacker.

I’m not complaining, only to point that with a little humour… You are complaining, and creating the bad feel.

Road version cant wait.
458 italia vs mp4-12c should be fun.

The Lotus 49 will probably be the closer comparison, the AC and iR GT3s will be from different specification years. AC’s version will have a bit more downforce from the hood louvres and possibly some suspension changes so it won’t be exactly 1:1. Should be pretty similar cars, though.

I agree, it is becoming more of an annoyance than something great. I mean, there are so many cars out there, you sure have to be able to differ yourself from that.

SRW has both the street and GT3 versions of the 12C.

It’s not like Ferrari and Porsche are hurting for brand recognition. That’s why you don’t see them licensing as often, they can afford to charge for the license.

What the hell does any of that have to do with them signing McLaren? And by the way, word from Kunos is Spring 2013, still gotta couple months if no delays.

Not to mention that the one in AC will in all likelihood actually feel like driving a car.

The fact that AC can make an entire game… physics engine, graphics engine, netcode system, 8 to 10 tracks and a couple dozen cars in the time iracing can make one car is lol worthy.
Remember when iracing was going to release the Lotus 49 and told everybody how much fun it was; just needed a couple tweaks…how’s that working out…..LOL

Maybe so but who’s side are you on? The rich car company or the busting their butts to make a profit developers?

Why do I have to be on a side? Can’t I want a licensed Ferrari and recognize that there is no business case for them to simply give it away for free at the same time?

Bet it’s a photo, just like in the case of P4/5.

They also drive like they have no tyres on the rims and slide everywhere with no grip along with them being over priced.

Yes I did play SRW for three and a half months.

Here in Ireland Spring ends at the end of april.

No chance. They’ve just super-imposed the AC logo over an interior photo of the car.

Same pic is here – http://img2.netcarshow.com/McLaren-MP4-12C_2013_800x600_wallpaper_05.jpg – and it’s the interior of the 2013 ‘Spider’

I rather AC anyway because I am not forced to use cockpit camera in AC. If Iracing had hood / bonnet cam I would pay to use it though.

Before you elitest purist Sim racers bash me for wanting a different camera view than Cockpit view I dont care about your opinion. We are all human and we all have our own preferences. I prefer hood cam you prefer Cockpit cam so please leave it at that.

Basicly you don’t have to side either way. It’s just licensing of content is a big topic for me and I have the mindset that I am more on the side of smaller business trying to be successful than the big corporations worried about 1 pecentage point at quarterly time.

noob ;)

even the “goodwill” manufacturers rarely give away their licence for nothing, there is always money involved… the bad mojo is more about these EXCLUSIVE licences which kill the fair competition and forbide any other game to get these cars. At the end WE (the players) loose.

But mom, I want it right now!
Seriously, cannot wait for the final release (no matter when it’s done)

No, but they do have the Lotus T125. It’s a customer car that has a bit less power than an F1 car, but with more downforce (due to not having to comply to F1 rules).
It would be amazing to see Ferrari and McLaren F1 cars in AC, but with Ferrari Virtual Academy they couldn’t have the F1 cars drive on tracks that were in their respective seasons. There must be some serious licensing costs involved with that, as only Polyphony with Gran Turismo 5 have F1 cars on their proper tracks.
They could still restrict the F1 cars to non-season tracks and let the modders unlock them, though… ;)

While they’re definitely developing much faster, what iRacing car took 15 months to build? The iRacing lotus was signed only a month before AC was announced, at which point it must have been in development for at least a month, right?

I’m aware, but it is the answer ;)

The Lotus 49 is an F1 car.

Right, I just think it’s unrealistic to expect the big corporations to do something not in their interest just to help the little guy, just as much as to expect the little guy to help the big corporations. Never said I liked it, I just understand why they do it. If I were in charge of their licensing, I would probably charge a higher premium as well.

I totally agree, exclusives are the killer. But my point is, by being desirable Ferrari and Porsche can (and from their perspective should) charge more than others.

Probably because Ferrari doesn’t want an actually decent sim of their cars on F1 tracks for potential gain of their competitors…. Perhaps. Maybe not. Sure if any F1 team wanted to they could figure it out without FVA. lol

Actually, it might just be a Ferrari thing, since Simraceway has the McLaren cars at Silverstone. And if they can do it, I’m sure Kunos will.

This is also a small budget 10-man team, the last full game had nine cars total, only a couple were even real cars.

For them this is a excellent start for this new game.

We’ll let him off because he didn’t say third person view. lol

yer, personally I want more road cars, and customisation options like gt5.

That will be epic!! :)

There are real life tests that goes either way between these two cars when it comes to lap times. Should be quite evenly matched!

I would rather McLaren F1! :)

Second to that I agree with the Mercedes license, the recent AMG’s are great driftcars!! :)

There is an important statement included in our latest press release that has not been reported here, I think it worths to mention because is related to all of you. Thank you.

“This addition proves our intention to continue to re-invest our earnings from netKar PRO with officially licensed content, and to bring the most desirable cars to Assetto Corsa. This licensing agreement is for all the motorsports enthusiasts and simracers enjoying the AC Technology Preview demo, and also for all our new followers who decide to support us buying netKar PRO in order to get the AC Technology Preview for free.

This is our way to thank all of you so much for the great response and feedback that gamers and simracers have provided to us from the AC Technology preview, which has exceeded our best expectations.”

Does AC have physical damage? Can I wreck the cars?

I paid 15 € for nkPRO 2 days prior to the 5€ price announcement and am happy for that.

1. nkPRO is one of the most realistic sims ever, it has a nice set of cars and tracks. You can also drive Nurburgring with the best tiremodel in simracing for free as a mod (one of the best versions I’ve driven).

2. Happy to support Kunos for AC content and licenses. Compared to the investments I’ve done in hardware AC (and sim software in general) is extremely(!!) cheap!

+1

anbd knows, how much will the game cost?

I agree. I find it also disappointing. Like manufacturers define which cars can be chosen for the racing games rather than developers define how to make their game different to other ones. It gets pretty boring to see the same cars in nearly every new sim now.

I want to know the turbo lag. iRacing’s engineers are saying there’s ZERO lag due to what they go on to explain but I doubt that’s true because not even the Koenigsegg is zero turbo lag proof. Let’s wait and see!

For what comparison? Comparisons are the basis for “look, my sim is better than yours”-shitstorms. People who are able to think clear just play what they have fun with and don´t think about making comparisons all the time.

Thanks as well. May it is somewhat early to ask but is there a chance to see some more laser scan tracks in the future ? Of course, you can never have enough cars, but tracks also, especially in this HQ, as it is already evident in AC’s TP.

BTW congratulations to the new licence.

No real issue imho. While the one makes a joke out of the car, the other simulates it more reliable.

If everyone would go right, and they all feel the same, i would have to agree with you. Just to call something as simulations, makes it not essential to one.

Oh I very much think it is in the interests of the big corporations to be involved in some capacity in the gaming industry as a advertising tool which these corporations spend a lot of money on and in the end at least in the US it can be claimed as a tax write off. So in effect these corporation are looking at the little guy to pay for their charging for licenses it’s a win win for the corporatuions and while it may be a win for these developers to secure these licenses it is a much lesser one.

For you to be able to judge, and maybe choose one over the other.

Anyway FTMP the Passions of Ferrari and Porsche are ego driven that needs to feed off the adornment of their fans. My question is how willing are they to give something back? Or are they just takers? Maybe with all the adornment they have received over the last 80 years they have been infected with swelled head syndrome.

Did they let the schedule slip again? Link?

Let’s not rake them over the coals for another delay (good code takes time), but let’s also not pretend that Kunos hasn’t had schedule slips like basically every other sim developer.

http://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/comments/18ff44/assetto_corsa_presentation_xpost_from/
VirtualR is a great site, but not always on top of all the news…That vid came out a month or two ago

Thanks, doesn’t particularyl surprise me but hadn’t seen the official word that the release date changed again. Maybe send that to the report news link up top so Montoya can update the boilerplate? I’m aware they aren’t always that accurate…

Well, the astronomical spring hasn’t begun yet…

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I don’t think its a bad thing though. At least when that happens you know you won’t be left out if the car appears in a sim that you don’t play a lot or don’t like so much as another one. So if you’re not an iRacing member, for example, and iRacing announced this car, you at least know you can still drive it in either Assetto Corsa, SRW or whatever.
Same with the RUF now being in pCARS and R3E. You can drive the car you like in the sim you prefer. Just gives us more options, so I don’t see it as a negative and certainly not a disappointment. It’s not as if it’s at the expense of a different car.

With what? You don’t have a benchmark unless you actually drive a real MP4-12C GT3.

Really? So what is for Ferrari to gain to be in the sim racing market? Almost everybody who’s in simracing knows exactly what Ferrari does. Even the casual gamers do.

You can have too many cars in a way that takes away their uniqueness because there’s not enough time to apply the finishing touches. Right, Simraceway?

While I love any additions to any sims, I do sometimes crave for something different, something out of the ordinary… How about some cars from the 20′s or 30′s? Blower Bentley? How about a Maserati 250F? I think how fast the car is is irrelevant really, slower cars make for close tense racing, so, how about a lovely period split screen Morris Minor or a nice standard Jaguar SS100 or XJ6? The possibilities are endless. I’m sure the thought of a grid full of thundering 8 litre Bentleys would excite most people here. Steave

While I love any additions to any sims, I do sometimes crave for something different, something out of the ordinary… How about some cars from the 20′s or 30′s? Blower Bentley? How about a Maserati 250F? I think how fast the car is is irrelevant really, slower cars make for close tense racing, so, how about a lovely period split screen Morris Minor or a nice standard Jaguar SS100 or XJ6? The possibilities are endless. I’m sure the thought of a grid full of thundering 8 litre Bentleys would excite most people here. Steave

Shouldn’t you add some images?

Isn’t hood cam ‘third person’ technically? If the first person is the driver and he isn’t sitting on the hood ;)

Agreed, that will be interesting. I wonder where Kunos is sourcing its vehicle data from. I know iRacing usually goes through the teams running the cars, but they aren’t always reliable (for example, the Robertson Ford GT…).

It’s probably only a bad thing if you drive every sim out there. If you only drive the odd one or two, then surely it becomes less of an issue.

^ saw that one coming MILES away… :P

Again, I repeat…there are only so many cars to be licensed. What is this variety you speak of?

comparison with iRacing’s mp4

I hate this trend of single car/brand licences, that’s total crap, I want a full real championship. Have you ever seen a real series with only McLaren MP4-12C, Lotus Elise, Lotus 49 …. ??

I hate this trend of single car/brand licence, what I want to see is a full real championship

they had the shoot out on Top Gear, McLaren had a faster lap time, but they said the 458 was more fun to drive.

AC- Please hire Antonio from Simbin to do your sounds !!!!!

Q1 ends May 1st. San Marino 1994. Senna’s crash anniversary release?

Assetto Corsa also has the BMW Z4 GT3 licensed, so it will in fact have competition in the same class…

It certainly is great to see a big range of cars, but at this stage I would prefer to see more high quality tracks announced, even if they’re not all laser scanned.

Well one is exposure which you may feel they don’t need and are doing well and a Ferrari is not a spur of the moment purchase. Ferrari does have other interests at stake as well like the Ferrari Stores as example the one in San Fran. They are just as much trying to push merchandise as well as automobiles. If they granted developers licenses they could get Ferrari Store or Ferrari.com track side billboard advertisements in a package deal. I do however give ferrari more credit than porsche. Boy am I glad I am American with American business sense and best business is done in a give and take environment.

Hmmm How many people know of Ferrari.com or the Ferrari Stores chain? They are in business for more than just cars and granting low cost licensing or no cost licensing in exchange for some track side ads I think is a pretty good exchange. Boy am I glad I have an American mind for business.

No doubt, that is amazing they could land the Ferrari license with such a small team and yet it seems nobody else can.

Oops I didn’t thik this actually posted so it’s 2 similar posts when it’s only meant to be 1

Too niche, nobody will look at the car list and say “OMG, a moggie or XJ6, I MUST purchase this game”, O.K maybe twenty people will.

Good call on the 250F though, maybe with the Ferrari license you might see a 625 F1, maybe.

yes

My boxed copy of NKP Racing just arrived in the post yesterday. I bought it to say thanks to you for your efforts in this genre, I already own a digital licence, all-in-all they both cost me £20, I feel it was a small price to pay for the enjoyment I’ve been given.

The boxed copy will stay on my the shelf, in the other sim-racing classics section :)

I think I’ll call the bonnet view “-1st person view” from now on. Not sure how to describe the position ahead the physically possible other wise.

Actually they (Kunos) said one of the engineers like the customisation options, like suspension upgrades and tuning parts etc. They didn’t rule it out, but they also made it seem like it’s not anywhere near the top of the list of things the be done.

Mate, they don’t even give a free 1st service (oil and oil filter) after you’ve spent £$250,000 with them. Expect nothing lol.

grumpy cat does not want to ad neons under his car……

No… It’s “first person strapped to the trunk” view. I’m trying to figure out how to attach the steering wheel to the front bumper in my real car. Once I figure this out, I’ll have a better view driving to work. The bugs in my teeth are going to be interesting. A helmet would fix that problem but I don’t want to mess up my hair. :D

If it was for every other videogame genre I agree with you

BUT this is simracing

a video don’t really tell you about FFB.

Just came across this and thought I’d point it out. When AC was announced, they mentioned they had been working on the new engine since 2008. They didn’t build the whole thing in a year, it has been closer to 5.

good point but this isn’t a car roster in the likes of Forza or Grand Turismo. As long as the cars have the physics quality and the graphic fidelity to match you can’t have to many IMO.